This message has been sent to the AFB list, abuse@egroups,com, and
support@egroups.com, so they can all see how appallingly customer
complaints are ignored and mishandled by egroups.

Hi,

This would have to be one of the most useless and stupid messages I have
ever received!  How about answering the query I asked you?  I know damn
well what a bouncing message is, and the problem is YOURS not mine. 

I did not ask you to explain a bouncing message, I told you that your
service was not working at all, in any way shape of form.  Neither
sending mail, or the web page based service.  And you have not
addressed one single point in my letter to you.

My ISPs are accepting mail quite properly, and have been doing so in all
the time that I have been using them.

Your service has never been reliable, it has always done odd things.  I
have always had trouble with messages being sent twice, message being
sent late, web page based services not working, etc

Your system is fucking up big time, and screwing me around.  Fix up
your damn useless system, and stop pissing me about!  

I am sick to death of companies who upon receiving a complaint,
completely ignore the message given to them and blandly spout some crap
back in response.  Bloody well pay attention to what your consumers ask
of you and don't fuck us around.  

It should NEVER be necesary for a consumer to have to follow up a
complaint to a service, and NEVER to have to complain that your
response was utter bullshit and totally un-responsive to the original
complaint.  So I make no appologies for the tone of my letter, your
service smacks of incompetence the whole way through.

If you do not properly respond to my complaint this time, I shall be
sending back to you, every one of the original FIVE HUNDRED
registration messages I was sent from your web page, individually,
every day until you get it right.

Tim Seifert.



  From:  eGroups Support 
 Dated:  Sunday, 13-Jun-99, 05:14:27
 About:  Re: subscription problems. 

> What is a "bouncing" e-mail address?

> A subscriber whose address is listed as "Bouncing" is one whose e-mail
> host is reporting an error of some sort when we attempt to deliver a
> message.
>
> This can be caused by temporary network disconnects, running out of
> disk space for e-mail, non-payment of an ISP bill, or in the case of
> students, graduation.

> If after three weeks of trying once per day, the e-mail account still
> does not work, eGroups will stop attempting. The subscriber, if
> registered, will still be able to come to the website and read the
> messages there.

> For those times when a subscriber lets you know that their e-mail
> account is working again, we provide a way to reset the bounce status.
> Once the status is reset, the system will again try to deliver each
> message, rather than just one per day.

> It is not necessary or helpful in most cases to reset the bounce
> status of a subscriber. It will be reset automatically as soon as
> the e-mail address starts working again.

> Anyone who has ever attempted to run a large e-mail distribution list
> without the help of sophisticated "bounce processing" will know how
> much trouble bad addresses can cause. Bad addresses routinely get
> redelivered many times so they cost much more to keep on a group than
> a valid subscriber. As a result, they could slow down message delivery
> to people whose e-mail accounts actually work.

> Queena
> The eGroups Team
> For more information see
> http://www.egroups.com/info/help/main.html




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Seifert 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:32 AM
> Subject: subscription problems.


> Hello,
>
> For some time I have not being receiving any messages from the Amiga
> Format list (afb@egroups.com).  Prior to this, I was commonly
> receiving duplicates.
>
> My ISP appears to be working fine, I can receive mail from elsewhere
> without any problems (several megabytes worth every week), and I've
> not reached the mailbox storage limit either.
>
> I tried re-subscribing, in case that was the reason, only to receive a
> message back saying I was already subscribed.  So I went to look at
> the web site to see if there was any mail there, but it was empty, and
> seemed to indicate that I wasn't on any egroups hosted mailing list.
>
> Today I received a message saying I would be dropped for bouncing
> mail, and I was being sent a probe.
>
> It appears to me that either your mail server has problems (well your
> webserver certainly does, it frequently wouldn't allow me to log on,
> and was fond of sending me several *hundred* e-mails with
> registration information), or, the route that your mailing list
> e-mails goes through is different from the message I recently
> received directly from you, and the fault lies there.
>
> The lists I was trying to get back on, are these ones:
>
>      http://www.egroups.com/list/afb
>      http://www.egroups.com/list/stricq
>
> I've now tried un-subscribing totally, and re-subscribing using a
> different ISP, but your server keeps sending the subscription
> confirmations to the first ISP.
>
> I tried this by e-mailing to afb-subscribe@egroups.com and
> stricq-subscribe@egroups.com, because trying to subscribe from the web
> pages is useless, your server doesn't respond properly, it just cycles
> between requesting/waiting for page, and/or repeatedly sending me
> cookies.
>
> I was subscribed on the Picknowl address (which your server recently
> got annoyed with), and tried changing over to the BigPond address.
>
> Bye, Tim.  (B.A.  T.L.M.N.)

-- 

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mailto:T.A.S@bigpond.com
 
(Modbury, near Adelaide, South Australia) 
   
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I don't have have time to read all the messages here. 
I will not read a message with a subject that doesn't interest me.
PLEASE make your subject title match what your talking about.

    NEIL IVES
[HomeMade Software]
     Malvern
       UK

----------------------

Hello,

You've probably all come accross this game where you have to link an actor
via films and other actors to Kevin Bacon. We play 6 degrees but I think it
should be less but that makes it too hard. 

Anyway, we were playing this last night and one of our friends got well and
truly ticked off because she could not trip us up. Then, the cult 1981
French film Diva came on the telly. 

I now have the task of linking the actor who played Jules ( Frederic Andrei
) to Kevin Bacon in 6 steps. And get this, she won't let me link via
directors which I am sure is allowed. 

Anyway, to help you the other actors in the film were Cynthia Hawkins,
Richard Bohringer, Thuy An Luu, Jacques Fabri, Gerard Damon, Dominique
Pinon, Anny Rommand, Roland Bertin and Chantal Deruaz. 

The french movie industry in 81 was quite insular and so it is quite
difficult to find any links. Cynthia Hawkins, who played the opera singer
is American and so may be the best bet. 

Hope you can help or know of a web site that can. 

Kind regards

Steve Mowbray

PS: in case you haven't a clue what I am on about, the game is based on the
theory that the population of the world are all related to each other by,
at most, 6 degrees of seperation. This can be blood related, related by
marriage, etc. 

> > Ok, here's something that's been bugging me, what is the accepted way of
> > putting a smiley in brackets? Is it like I've done above, where the smiley
> > itself closes the brackets, or should I have added another bracket after
> > it, which would have made it look stupid...
> 
> IMO this is a mailing list not a "get your spelling/punctuation right" list
> I do variations on smilies/punctuation - whatever looks right at the time :-)

I disagree. The only thing stupid is *not* asking a question you don't know the
answer to, and this applies here just as anywhere else on the net. Bauglir,
rather than close off your bracket immediately, you could try doing it the way
I do, like so: (This is a silly comment :)

Ben

> Hi Ben, does that mean that you want me to spell everything correctly - eg,
> use "are" instead of "r" and "you" instead of "u" or are you just saying
> that my writing doesn`t make sence?

To be honest Sam, I couldn't tell if you were making sense because I just
skimmed through it to see if there was any English content in your message.
Yes, I want you to write properly.

Ben

> No. Most of the answers in my French exam were either ":)" or "possion" :)

Oh dear, I don't think you're gonna pass if you actually meant "poisson"! :)

Ben

> > If you haven't already seen it, spend some money on going to the cinema to
> > see The Matrix. It's great, I give it 4/5.
> 
> Are we likely to see a similar review of it in the next AF?

I might mention it in the Talking Heads bit. It was only a quick mention
because I'd just been to see it, and thought that others should too.
 
> And if so, will it be in more detail, if only to add padding? Who knows,
> maybe you could have a new section entitled "film reviews" ... I'll write
> it if you pay me to go watch the films!!  ;-)

I used to write film reviews for my website, but I haven't updated it in sooo
long...

Ben

Hi

This is my first posting to this list.

I am trying to install visage from this months AFCD.

Using the install icon it fails saying it cannot find the script

I've tried to use the shell method but that fails saying it is not an
installer file

Could someone please help?

TIA

Brad

-- 
A1200T Magnum 68040/40, OS3.1, 18 mgs RAM, 3,2gb HD, Surf Squirrel
Pace 'Solo' (V90 v2.04) connected via Wirenet, Zip drive, 12xCDrom.
PFS2 & Dopus Mag II (V5.81).

Hi Everybody,

> PLease open attachment and order your book today

   What the HELL is that god-awful piece of crap junk mail doing on THIS
list?????

   And doesn't it seem a little strange that suddenly as soon as a PDF
viewer appears on Aminet then this comes along? Coincidence? I dont think
so!

See ya.
-- 
       Manta Soft  -  Amiga programing & web page designing
          Http://mantasoft.aio.co.uk/      ICQ: 21829166
Homepage updated 24/5/99 --- Bomberman clone update & site changes
  - ------------------- Quote of the day: -------------------- -
Driving down the endless road, taking friends or moving alone
-- Simply Red

On 12-Jun-99, j.hart@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>Hi

>Does anyone on the list know where I can buy Wordworth 7 or Final Writer 97
>(CD-ROM or 
>disk)

Digita, who produce Wordworth, have their own web site www.digita.com. This
site also has a minor upgrade to WW7 on it anymore. I'm not sure that they are
actively pushing their amiga stuff anymore but if anybody has a copy then they
should!

I'd also recommend looking at www.cucug.org as they have a very comprehensive
amiga site that might help you further with practically anything Amiga
related.

On 13-Jun-99, Peter Moulden wrote:
>PLease open attachment and order your book today

This is a sneaky plan to get everyone asking where they can get a .pdf viewer
from is it? :-)

This morning when I did my first download of email there was the two
messages new messages in the AFB folder. The first one is a 150k pile
of junk in the form of a PDF attachment, and the second is is one is from
Tim Siefert to egroups about the problems he's having. Which judging from
the way his reply is worded will end up in egroups bin.

When I first subscribed to the afb list It was interesting and the amount
of off-topic stuff kept to a minimum. 

Several months on the volume has increased as the number of subscribers has
gone up, which is fair enough. But, for most of the time it's degenerated
fast into a complete pile of junk.

Don't get me wrong, the odd bit of humour is good fun. But the amount of
pointless drivel is getting to ridiculous levels. It's a shame that certain
people seem to think this is their own personal forum to discuss every
topic they wish, reply just for the sake of it etc, etc. This list *could*
have been so good.

As I've said before it's not the amount of mail I object to, it's the
amount of junk. It's a shame that the minority spoil it for the majority.

From Monday morning when the cheap weekend phone rates ends I'm
unsubscribing from [afb]. I really can't be bothered to wade through the
vast amount of junk to find the interesting stuff. If you think I'm a
whinging moaning whatever fine, that's your opinion and I'm not offended.
It takes a lot more than that to offend me.

If anyone wants to contact me with comments, help or suggestions for Magnum
Opus feel free to get in touch with me privatly. But don't bother sending
reply's to this mail in private, they'll be binned.


-- 
Best Regards, Richard Lane - richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk

Author: AmiNET - biz/dopus/Magnum_Opus31a.lha
Magnum_Opus support site - http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/amiga
                        Powered by *AMIGA*

Bother said Clive Bradley as he realised we were talking about
Trying to install from ADCD41 again...

> This is my first posting to this list.

Welcome!

> I am trying to install visage from this months AFCD.
> Using the install icon it fails saying it cannot find the script

You don't actually need to use installer.  Just copy it
to somewhere appropriate (I have it in Utilities).

Martin.

-- 
MartinJTaylor fool@3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

Bother said eGroups Calendar as he realised we were talking about
WOA Special Released! again...

> World Of Amiga Special 1 is released today! It's our first special edition
> in celebration of the Amiga's 14th Birthday. Download it from
> www.trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk/woa/

Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
found on this server."

Martin.

-- 
MartinJTaylor fool@3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

Bother said Andrew Crowe as he realised we were talking about
how to be rich again...

>   And doesn't it seem a little strange that suddenly as soon as a PDF
> viewer appears on Aminet then this comes along? Coincidence? I dont think
> so!

We've had at least two pdf viewers for as long as I can
remember:  Ghostscript and xpdf.

Martin.

-- 
MartinJTaylor fool@3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

Earlier on I downloaded the latest mail from the egroup. 
I read the mail through Micro-Dot II. I can read most of the mail but
occasionally I get the following message:

>Unable to read message:
>This is not really a message, just a fake root created.

Can anybody tell me what this is about?

Hello All,

On 12-Jun-99, david.baker@ukonline.co.uk wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm new to the net and have just joined afb egroup. Would it be
> easier (cheaper) to receive all new mail into my E-mail box and read
> them off-line or to do as I am at the moment and read them all
> on-line. Any comments would be appreciated.
> 

Read them offline. Download all the messages, go offline, read them all,
write your replies, go online to send them and get any new ones.

Make sure that you set egroups to send all messages to your mail box.

Danny.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd

Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everyone else.

  wrote: 
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=15075
> On 13-Jun-99, Peter Moulden wrote:
> >PLease open attachment and order your book today
> 
> This is a sneaky plan to get everyone asking where they can get a .pdf viewer
> from is it? :-)
> 
> 

Hi,

>> Wouldn't worry about it - most of the time, a drive advertised as
>> 4.3GB is actually 4.0GB, due to salespersons thinking that 1Mb=1000KB.
>> You *should* be able to use it without any problems.
>
>Either I'm not reading it right, or what you wrote there doesn't quite
>make sense?
>
>If the sales person thinks 1Mb=1000Kb, then the drive will actualy be
>bigger than he thinks it is; 'cos 1Mb=1024Kb. . .


Nah, the trick works the other way around. They take the number of Kbytes
and divide by 1000 and quote that as the value in megabytes, which is bigger
than if they had divided by 1024 - the real value for a megabyte.

Dave
===========-===--===---=----------- -  -
Member Team Amiga RC5
PGP Public Key Available On Request
VoiceMail 0800 413 494 Box 1234567
===========-===--===---=----------- -  -

> Earlier on I downloaded the latest mail from the egroup. 
> I read the mail through Micro-Dot II. I can read most of the mail but
> occasionally I get the following message:
> 
> >Unable to read message:
> >This is not really a message, just a fake root created.
> 

It's MDII's way of connecting messages to threads if the earlier
mails are missing, have been deleted or if the thread's been broken.(OE ?)

It probably is a glitch in the prog. It doesn't show if you select it
directly, only if you step through the mail.


Morgan  (who honestly hoped that made sense!) 

Hi fool

>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> fool@3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmm, he's a bit precocious.
>>>>>
>>>>> an me wurkin in teknikul suprot tooo!
>>>
>>>> Oh what wonders can be worked with "View Source" eh?
>>>
>>> What are you talking about?
>
>> I assume that's how you got 2, seeing as it wasn't one of the
>> choices - did view source then wrote a little bit of HTML to do it?
>
>Me? Hack egroups website?  With my reputation?  :)
>
>No, I didn't.  I don't know how it happened, or why.
>At a guess, egroups screwed up or it's just a typo.
>
>Still, I probably would have if I'd thought of it and if I
>knew how.


Righty ho, I'm off to hack a poll (my own mind, no need to worry y'selves)

Tatty byes
==========
Alex Furmanski - a.furmanski@virgin.net
WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

For sale: four-poster bed, 130 years old.  Perfect for antique lover.

> 
> It's MDII's way of connecting messages to threads if the earlier
> mails are missing, have been deleted or if the thread's been broken.(OE ?)
> 
> It probably is a glitch in the prog. It doesn't show if you select it
> directly, only if you step through the mail.
> 
> 
> Morgan  (who honestly hoped that made sense!) 
> 
>
Hi Morgan,

 It made perfect sense to me, I almost feel like an idiot for not
 figuring that out for myself.
 BTW what does (OE ?) in your reply mean?

Thanks for your help :)

David

Hello Richard

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:
snip-->
>> From Monday morning when the cheap weekend phone rates ends I'm
> unsubscribing from [afb]. I really can't be bothered to wade through the
> vast amount of junk to find the interesting stuff. If you think I'm a
> whinging moaning whatever fine, that's your opinion and I'm not offended.
> It takes a lot more than that to offend me.
> 
> If anyone wants to contact me with comments, help or suggestions for
> Magnum Opus feel free to get in touch with me privatly. But don't bother
> sending reply's to this mail in private, they'll be binned.


I to will be unsubing till I here of an inprovement

Ralph

Hello neil.ives@btinternet.com

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> I don't have have time to read all the messages here. 
> I will not read a message with a subject that doesn't interest me.
> PLEASE make your subject title match what your talking about.


Nope we don't have rules here 


:-)


Ralph

Hi Paul,

>Has anyone noticed that the Excite websearcher accepts both
>www.excite.com and www.exite.com for lamers who can't spell?


Yeah, but how did you find out without being (like me) a lamer who can't
spell? :)

>Does this mean that you/your company has to pay for registering both
>www.pecadiloes.com and pecadiloes.com even though only one is ever
>used?


No, we registered only pecadiloes.com with Internic. Being a sub domain it
was free, although I have to admit I know little of the technicalities as I
let our host do the setting up.

>And what do you call those numbers that you see when you goto a URL
>like 123.34.65.34 ?


Ah! I know this one...

They are an Internet Protocol (IP) addresses, pecadiloes.com (as do all
addresses) don't actually exist. Every computer on the internet is referred
to by one of these groups of 4 numbers, each set actually means something -
but I forget what.

When you type pecadiloes.com your browser asks Internic (I think it's
Internic, could be one of their other trade names) for the corresponding IP
and goes there. Hence the need to register your name and why browsers can
respond that a domain does not exist almost instantly rather than waiting
for the attempt to connect to time out, usually "the requested domain has no
DNS reference" or similarly unhelpful.

Dave.
===========-===--===---=----------- -  -
Member Of The Amiga RC5 Team
PGP Public Key Available On Request
VoiceMail 0800 413 494 Box 1234567
===========-===--===---=----------- -  -

Hello All,

On 12-Jun-99, Andy Kinsella wrote:

>> Wouldn't worry about it - most of the time, a drive advertised as
>> 4.3GB is actually 4.0GB, due to salespersons thinking that 1Mb=1000KB.
>> You *should* be able to use it without any problems.
> 
> Either I'm not reading it right, or what you wrote there doesn't quite
> make sense?
> 
> If the sales person thinks 1Mb=1000Kb, then the drive will actualy be
> bigger than he thinks it is; 'cos 1Mb=1024Kb. . .
> 

4.3GB  1000 = 4300000 bytes

4300000 bytes  1024 = 4.1GB

The drives are advertised as 4.3GB as 'the industry' counts 1000000bytes as
1GB. The actual drive size is 4.1GB. The usable size will be even
less as some is used for RDB, Filesystem info etc.

-- 
Danny.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd

I like work ... I can sit and watch it for hours.

Hello All,

On 12-Jun-99, Ferenczy wrote:

> Hi Samuel
> 
> On 11-Jun-99, you wrote:
> 
> 
>>> Two questions - what Amigas have an 010 in them, and did Motorola ever
>>> make
>> an
>>> 050?
>> 
>> no, but Philips did and they used it in their CDi - or was that the
>> 68070?
> 
> No Amigas made with 68010, but it was pin compatible, so you could do a
> stright swap - about 10% faster, which isn't a lot these days, but back
> then...
> 
> 68070 in the CDi - that was back in 1991 - somehow I doubt it! Can't
> remember what it used now - haven't though about them for a long while....
> 

They did indeed make such a chip but I don't think it was a Motorola
compatable chip. They just happened to use a simlilar naming system.

Coincidance or rip off, you decide :)

-- 
Danny.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd

It is better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try, but
the result's the same.
-- Mike Dennison

Hey Guys, anyone know where to get a bit of info about AI from? Can be
source code (Blitz Basic only) or just info on how to make AI better or more
inteligent via programming trick ect.

E-Mail me personly so we dont clog up the lists

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 ami-gerbil@ami-gerbil.freeserve.co.uk
     www.ami-gerbil.freeserve.co.uk
  ICQ# 28871289 -  Afternet #Trogsoft
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Hi There, I am just wondering if you guys are making any of your own software at the mo. If you are, then please select what type(s) of software you are making. Thanks :)

----

Please select one or more of the following:

   o Yes, a comercial game
   o Yes, a shareware (or any other type of ware apart from freeware) game 
   o Yes, a freeware game
   o Yes, a comercial application/utility
   o Yes, a shareware (or any other type of ware apart from freeware) application/utility
   o Yes, a freeware application/utility
   o No, but I can program, but i dont have any ideas or time to make them
   o No, I dont/cant/wont program


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=929272975998

Thank you!

>> No. Most of the answers in my French exam were either ":)" or "possion"
:)
>
>Oh dear, I don't think you're gonna pass if you actually meant "poisson"!
:)


I meant fish :) At least I *think* Possion is fish.

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 ami-gerbil@ami-gerbil.freeserve.co.uk
     www.ami-gerbil.freeserve.co.uk
  ICQ# 28871289 -  Afternet #Trogsoft
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

>> World Of Amiga Special 1 is released today! It's our first special
edition
>> in celebration of the Amiga's 14th Birthday. Download it from
>> www.trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk/woa/
>
>Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
>found on this server."


Neil is having trouble uploading files to the FTP server, it wont let him
connect - so the WOA special wont be on there for another few days :(

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  ICQ# 28871289 -  Afternet #Trogsoft
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hi there  jwd@currantbun.com

On 12-Jun-99, you wrote:


> Problem 1
> How do I get the CDDA icon to appear on the workbench screen, so when a=
n audio CD is inserted it is recognised by my CD Players ( Pro REXX CD, S=
ong Player, ACD Player and MCD
> Player)


Set the correct Unit number in your player programs!
 =

> Problem 2
> Recently my Hard drive failed to validate, as I would like to low level=
 format it, then find the bad blocks and mark them, is there any utilitie=
s that can find and list the
> bad blocks on my drive. I have tried HD inst tools, Disc Salve 2, and Q=
uarter back Tools, but they just hang the system and I have to re-boot wi=
thout finishing the task.


Even if it is SCSI the last thing you should ever do is Low Level format =
your hard drive, and NEVER if it is
an IDE drive. You will screw it up. The Amiga will repair and validate yo=
ur harddrive(s) by itself.
Just keep clicking on 'Retry' and keep re-booting until it is done! This =
could now take some time since you
have used QB and DiskSalve in your attempts to repair it!
 =

> Problem 3
> I have recently purchased Simm City 2000 (Second hand) and after instal=
ling it and clicking on game icon I get the requester 'PANIC NO MEMORY' w=
hy is this? when I have 32 meg.
> This also happens if I boot with no start up.

Regards
-- =

Pete :-)

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Hello All,

On 13-Jun-99, David Patterson wrote:

> When you type pecadiloes.com your browser asks Internic (I think it's
> Internic, could be one of their other trade names) for the corresponding
> IP and goes there. Hence the need to register your name and why browsers
> can respond that a domain does not exist almost instantly rather than
> waiting for the attempt to connect to time out, usually "the requested
> domain has no DNS reference" or similarly unhelpful.

Would this mean that typing the IP address directly is faster than typing
the worded address as the browser dosn't need to look anyting up?
 
-- 
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UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
-- Bertolt Brecht

----- Original Message ----- 
From: P Gordon aka Mr Tickle 
To: 
Sent: 12 June 1999 20:02
Subject: [afb] Re: Time


> 
> > clock is fine (if 12 hours slow - and setting it
> > 12hours fast doesn't help
> > either :)   <--- smiley ending brackets
> 
> Why not just set it to the right time instead of 12
> hours slow or fast?
> 

because it insists of being 12 hours slow for some 
weird reason. Remember, the Amiga is nearly human, you
do what it wants, not what you want :)

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Samuel Brookes 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 12:30
Subject: [afb] Re: WOA Special Released!


> >> World Of Amiga Special 1 is released today! It's our first special
> edition
> >> in celebration of the Amiga's 14th Birthday. Download it from
> >> www.trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk/woa/
> >
> >Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
> >found on this server."
> 
> 
> Neil is having trouble uploading files to the FTP server, it wont let him
> connect - so the WOA special wont be on there for another few days :(
> 

Yeh, thanks for that sam (my trusty co-editor :) I think the problems
have been sorted now... it should be available for download now.

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Samuel Brookes 
To: 
Sent: 12 June 1999 23:19
Subject: [afb] M$ Slagging off


> What is this, a `Pick on Samuel` weekend?
> 

Indeed it is... we all get a turn at being picked
on, you should feel lucky :)

Neil

Paul Cundle said, 

>> > (I'm sure you made the long one up).
>> 
>> First Against The Wall When The Revolution Comes :)

> So you did make it up.

Only the acronym (OK Richard, abbreviation). The phrase comes for
HHGTTG :)


Neil
-- 
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Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
The Japanese call us lazy, but at least we cook our fish!

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Moulden 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 09:39
Subject: [afb] how to be rich


>PLease open attachment and order your book today

Errrrr, yeah.... and who here using an Amiga wants or can easily view a 113K
PDF file?

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 10:24
Subject: [afb] Re: The Matrix

>
> I used to write film reviews for my website, but I haven't updated it in
sooo
> long...
>

I noticed :) Nice all the same.

Neil

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Wesson 
To: Peter Moulden 
Sent: 13 June 1999 11:28
Subject: [afb] Re: how to be rich


> On 13-Jun-99, Peter Moulden wrote:
> >PLease open attachment and order your book today
>
> This is a sneaky plan to get everyone asking where they can get a .pdf
viewer
> from is it? :-)
>

No, it's a sneaky plan to get people complaining about huge attachments
being sent to the list :)

Neil

Hi Neil B,


> Is it just me who seems to get the following at the top of quite a few =
egroups
> messages, this appears in the message body

> To: afb@egroups.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS NC 1.2 [NC2-#000007CC]
> X-SLUIDL: 3A467A99-20C111D3-B7DD0090-275149F0
> Subject: [afb] Re: Past Shows (slightly OT I suppose)
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> or something similar? btw, because of this, some of the messages which =
I get
> from afb don't have any subject.

This is from the source, I use OE5 (check the source, it tells you )
=20
> Or is it just OE5, and will I have to live with it?

I don't have this problem :-)

    Bomber Harris=20

On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 12:01:26AM +0000, Paul Cundle wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that the Excite websearcher accepts both
> www.excite.com and www.exite.com for lamers who can't spell?

Or to prevent porn merchants from cashing in... 

> Does this mean that you/your company has to pay for registering both
> www.pecadiloes.com and pecadiloes.com even though only one is ever
> used?

You only have to register pecadiloes.com - once you have the domain, any
hostnames within it are yours. There's something like 40,000 hostnames
under cam.ac.uk, so registering each one individually would cost a
fortune...

> And what do you call those numbers that you see when you goto a URL
> like 123.34.65.34 ?

That's the IP address, which should be unique unless it's one of the
internal network ranges in which case you shouldn't be able to access it
from the outside. In general there's one per machine on the internet,
although it's possible for single machines to have more than one. Each IP
address can have several different hostnames, to confuse things still
further.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

On 13-Jun-99, Pete Sullivan Wrote........

[=> Hi there  jwd@currantbun.com
[=> 
[=> On 12-Jun-99, you wrote:
[=> 
[=> 
[=>> Problem 1
[=>> How do I get the CDDA icon to appear on the workbench screen, so when
[=>> an audio CD is inserted it is recognised by my CD Players ( Pro REXX
[=>> CD, Song Player, ACD Player and MCD Player)
[=> 
[=> 
[=> Set the correct Unit number in your player programs!

Erm, He's on about getting a Def-Icon on the WB screen and getting it to
launch a player of his choice I think you'll find.  Setting the Unit number
and stuff isn't going to do that.  Well not directly.  For instance Getting
MCDPlayer to work on a Squirrel would be done like this.....

Enter Envarc:Sys/

select the icon Def_CDDAdisk.info (I'm assuming that you have installed the
NewIcon Package)

Change the default tool to / 

ie.  SYS:Utilities/MCDPlayer/MCDPlayer.

You may need to put the arguments on the end of that

SYS:Utilities/MCDPlayer/MCDPlayer SCSI_DEV=SquirrelScsi.device SCSI_ID=1 SONGPATH=Music:CDs/

All of the above is obviously one line ;).

And that's It... I'm assuming that the unit number and stuff is set for
you're cd player(s).  If you want to use a different player then put that
in the tooltype instead.  Hope this helps

Regards
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On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 12:41:41PM +0000, Danny Shepherd wrote:

> Would this mean that typing the IP address directly is faster than typing
> the worded address as the browser dosn't need to look anyting up?

Usually - however, under normal circumstances DNS lookups take a fairly
miniscule amount of time. Also, there's a technique called virtual hosting
which makes things rather more difficult. In this case, a single IP
address is given several hostnames which may be for completely different
domains. When you enter the hostname into your browser, it not only looks
up the IP address of the server but also sends the name of the site you
entered. 

For instance, www.autosport.com resolves to 194.93.134.3 which
actually belongs to lon-proxy.intensive.net. They also have several other
websites on the same server, and the only way it has of telling which one
you want is the contents of the header your browser sent them - as a
result, just giving it the IP address means you don't get the website.

And hostnames are generally easier to remember than 12 digit numbers,
which makes life generally nicer.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

>  BTW what does (OE ?) in your reply mean?

> David


  Hi, 

Sorry for that! It's a mailprog on The Other Platform called Outlook
Express. It doesn't generate the necessary header-info needed to
thread properly.

Regards

    Morgan

Hello Ben

On 12-Giu-99, Ben Vost wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> If you haven't already seen it, spend some money on going to the cinema to
> see The Matrix. It's great, I give it 4/5.

I have seen it on Friday and I liked it too. Apparently they are working on
two sequels...

--
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vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

Hello david.baker@ukonline.co.uk

On 12-Giu-99, david.baker@ukonline.co.uk wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm new to the net and have just joined afb egroup. Would it be
> easier (cheaper) to receive all new mail into my E-mail box and read
> them off-line or to do as I am at the moment and read them all
> on-line. Any comments would be appreciated.

OFFLINE

Ciao
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vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk

On 13-Giu-99, j.hart@ukonline.co.uk wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Does anyone on the list know where I can buy Wordworth 7 or Final Writer
> 97 (CD-ROM or disk)- all the mail order companies I have tried in the UK
> have neither of these two programs for sale.

Have you tried Digita Int. or LH Publishing?

Digita +44 1 395 270 273
LH Publishing +44 1908 370 230

Ciao
--
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vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

Hello fool

On 13-Giu-99, fool wrote:

> Bother said eGroups Calendar as he realised we were talking about
> WOA Special Released! again...
> 
>> World Of Amiga Special 1 is released today! It's our first special
>> edition in celebration of the Amiga's 14th Birthday. Download it from
>> www.trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk/woa/
> 
> Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
> found on this server."

Try again now

Ciao
-- 
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vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

Hello 4-0, on 12-Jun-99 12:02:27 you said about:
 [afb] I.S.Porkies 

>Hiya afb'ers

>I'm sure you've all seen these crap adverts fror ISP's.. AOL, Compuserv and
>with freeserve been the latest. Now in EVERY one, they claim to be the UK's
>#1 ISP. Now they can't ALL be #1, so methinks there's a bit of bullshiftin'
>going on. I wonder if I could take 'em to court over false advertising...
>Also, the only ones that say this are usually the crap ISP's... AOL, need I
>say more.

Have you also noticed how AOL have worded their adverts so if you don't
know better and don't listen to it properly, it sounds like they're
free?

--
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
May you live all the days of your life.

Hello Samuel Brookes, on 13-Jun-99 11:26:49 you said about: 
 [afb] Re: My bad England 

>>> No. Most of the answers in my French exam were either ":)" or "possion"
>:)
>>
>>Oh dear, I don't think you're gonna pass if you actually meant "poisson"!
>:)


>I meant fish :) At least I *think* Possion is fish.

It's all in the spelling - "PoIsson" is fish, dunno what "PossIon"
is though.....

--
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 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
"All true wisdom is found in taglines."

Greetings  Primo

On 12-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Malcolm Harden wrote,among other things,about his set up.In the list
> he gave was mentioned "Tabby" as a drawing pad.Now can any one tell if
> it is still available or is there some thing just the same on the
> market.If so where can it be got from and the price.
> Many thanks.

You should be able to pick up a wacom Artpad-2 for around 50 quid. . .

Jigsaw have it advertised in the directory that was in the latest Compute=
r
Arts for =A339+vat

try "sales@jigsawsystems.co.uk" "http://www.jigsaw24.com"

Miles better than the tabby, cordless pen etc...

> Primo.
> =

> primo@busancano.prestel.co.uk       12/6/1999
> =


> =

Regards

Andy

*FUBAR*@http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk
/PGP Key available on request/
-- =

Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everyone else.

Hi Bomber


>Hi Alex H,

Who?

>> A while back someone asked for a dictionary of fake translations (Ben
methinks),
>> I've found this Chinese one and it made me laugh.  English is on the left.
>        {snip list}
>> Sorry if this is of no interest to anyone, but it made me laugh.
>
>I found it amusing, Going to pass it on if it's OK with you?

Sure.

>> For sale: four-poster bed, 130 years old.  Perfect for antique lover.
>
>Just the one tag line?. Seem to have  Been looking at this one for quite a
while now!  :-)


That's exactly what I thought this morning...

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

Hi Chrispy

>> In the "Bill got pied" survey there are 12 people who said that they
>didn't
>> know where they could find the clip. FYI it's in
>> AFCD25:-In_the_Mag-/Flantastic!
>
>Only one problem: AFAIK I only started getting the CD versions from AFCD28
>:-(
>Any other places where we might get it? Anyone?


Try an Altavista search for "bill gates mpeg", you might even find the one where
Win98 crashed on him.
You can get the Pie Bill Gates game (Amiga and PC versions) from
http://underworld.fortunecity.com/dukenukem/204 though I don't know if the MPEG
is there.

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

Hello

 I own Lightwave 3D v3.5 and was wondering how I could either
 upgrade to version 5 or purchase the complete package of version 5.
 I've heard that Lightwave is no longer being produced for the Amiga
 so I guess I may be stuck with v3.5, not that there's anything wrong
 with it, but v5 should in theory be better than v3.5

David

Hello

 I seem have a problem with Voyager when I write and sent E-Mail
 online.
 After I have written and sent the message the top part of Voyager,
 where all the icons are, is left with my message overlaid, in fact
 some of the icons vanish completely. Other than writing all my
 E-mails offline, is there a solution to this.

David

Hi Neil Bullock

>> > clock is fine (if 12 hours slow - and setting it
>> > 12hours fast doesn't help
>> > either :)   <--- smiley ending brackets
>>
>> Why not just set it to the right time instead of 12
>> hours slow or fast?
>>
>
>because it insists of being 12 hours slow for some
>weird reason. Remember, the Amiga is nearly human, you
>do what it wants, not what you want :)


I find computers always do what I tell them to do, but not what I want it to do.

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

Hi PC

>> >So you're not a maths teacher then? Seriously, I though you were older
>> >than that. Shows how useless email technology is. For some reason I
>> >feel like I know you. Scary.
>>
>> I'm not on no Netconnect mailing list either ;-)
>Don't lie, I saw you the other day :) It must be because your name
>sound like so many others.

Are you really a PC?

>> >... Got Mole problems?
>> >        Call Avogardo 6.02 x 10^23
>>
>>
>> ARRRRGGGHHHH!
>Purely random, I assure you. Anyway that's chemistry and physics. We
>haven't actually had a thread on either of those yet....

If we go even more OT, more people will leave the list so there will be fewer
posts to the list.  That means we can say more per person without going over the
limit.  Great!

>And before anyone says, I do know that Avogadro was spelt wrong

Yeah, that G should have been a C ;-)

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

Hi guys


>Hello Samuel Brookes, on 13-Jun-99 11:26:49 you said about:
> [afb] Re: My bad England
>
>>>> No. Most of the answers in my French exam were either ":)" or "possion"
>>:)
>>>
>>>Oh dear, I don't think you're gonna pass if you actually meant "poisson"!
>>:)
>
>
>>I meant fish :) At least I *think* Possion is fish.
>
>It's all in the spelling - "PoIsson" is fish, dunno what "PossIon"
>is though.....

Polsson  and Possion are not French words.  Poisson is fish.  I've done French,
so obviously I'm right ;-)

Tatty byes
--
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WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Furmanski 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 14:24
Subject: [afb] Re: Time


> >
> >because it insists of being 12 hours slow for some
> >weird reason. Remember, the Amiga is nearly human, you
> >do what it wants, not what you want :)
>
> I find computers always do what I tell them to do, but not what I want it to
do.
>

Mine has a mind of it's own (well, it's getting there) but that's only
because I'm making continuously larger programs that sit in WBStartup and
let the Amiga do what it wants :) If I leave the computer for a few minutes,
then, since I have no screensaver, it just displays the workbench screen.
If someone then decides to sit down and do something with my Amiga while I'm
not there, it will tell them to bugger off, blank the screen and refuse
to let you do anything.

The trick being to press '*' when you arrive back at the computer after
leaving it alone :)

Neil

I recently saw 'Instinct' with Anthony Hopkins and highly recommend this film.

Mark Dekeyser

Ben Vost wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> If you haven't already seen it, spend some money on going to the cinema to
> see The Matrix. It's great, I give it 4/5.
>
> All the best,
> --
> Ben Vost    UIN: 17940138
> t/f:     +44 01225 460292
> http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> eGroups.com home: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb
> http://www.egroups.com - Simplifying group communications

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Vincenzo Morra 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 13:58


> > Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
> > found on this server."
> 
> Try again now
> 

Wow, people actually talking amongst themselves about
MY diskmag. Amazing!

Neil

on 12-Jun-99, Andy Sillwood skillfully scrawled something along the subject
of [afb] Re: POLL: What sex are you?: 

> On 11-Jun-99 01:43:50, Paul Cundle (paulc@lantik.u-net.com) wrote:
> 
>> Frogs can do it as well. I bet there are some fish who have changed
>> from female to male - visit Dungeness. (for those who don't know, that
>> is an incorrectly spelt place in the SE of England where there is a
>> nuclear power station by a river filled with dayglow fish).
> 
> I live about 20 miles from there :)

Try visiting some of the places near here, about 15 miles away in the
Fens... I am sure there are PEOPLE who can do this kind of thing...:)

Ahhh... The legacy of Inbreeding lives on

Thanks for your time...
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on 12-Jun-99, jwd@currantbun.com skillfully scrawled something along the
subject of [afb] Help!!!!!!!!: 

> Hello my name is Bill, can any body out there help a novive Amigan? I have
> 3 problems, But first let me tell you what my set up is:-
> 
> Amiga 1200, OS3, 1.2 gig Hard Drive, Blizzard 68030 mk4 turbo,fpu,mmu,32
> meg ram, extra external floppy, 8 speed CD rom via Squirrel, Canon bcj4200
> colour printer and a fidelity cm14 colour monitor.

Similar to mine :)

> Problem 1
> How do I get the CDDA icon to appear on the workbench screen, so when an
> audio CD is inserted it is recognised by my CD Players ( Pro REXX CD, Song
> Player, ACD Player and MCD Player)

Try installing AmiCDFS, and a deficon to go with it. Deficons is part of the
Newicons package, and it will assign an icon to files or disks that do not
have one. Both should be available on Aminet.

> Problem 2
> Recently my Hard drive failed to validate, as I would like to low level
> format it, then find the bad blocks and mark them, is there any utilities
> that can find and list the bad blocks on my drive. I have tried HD inst
> tools, Disc Salve 2, and Quarter back Tools, but they just hang the system
> and I have to re-boot without finishing the task.

DO NOT low level format an IDE drive. you run the risk of deleting all the
manufacturer info on there about the drive. Try a normal format first, or
Disksalv's repair or Validate commands.

> Problem 3
> I have recently purchased Simm City 2000 (Second hand) and after
> installing it and clicking on game icon I get the requester 'PANIC NO
> MEMORY' why is this? when I have 32 meg. This also happens if I boot with
> no start up.

Sim City 2000 is a tad hungry on the chip ram too. Try freeing some up by
closing other progs, taking large pics of the WB screen, or using Fblit
(again from aminet) which will speed it up slightly too :)

> Thanks to who so ever replies. 

No problem at all :)

Thanks for your time...
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on 12-Jun-99, fool skillfully scrawled something along the subject of [afb]
Re: POLL: Woo Woo Woo Wuh Wuh Wuh: 


> 99.999999% (approx :) do though.
> 
>> most websites do however begin http://
> 
> But you don't bother to say that part unless it is different
> from http:// do you?  Which (I think) proves my point.

U can get websites that start with http2://www.etc.
This was a redirection company offering free domains, but after looking into
it, u had to use http2:// which only Netscape supports ATM, but there are
plans (i think) to incorperate them into the latest batch of miggy
browsers.

I registered all of mine though :)

Thanks for your time...
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on 13-Jun-99, Chris Pratt skillfully scrawled something along the subject of
[afb] Re: Survey results: 


>> know where they could find the clip. FYI it's in
>> AFCD25:-In_the_Mag-/Flantastic!
> 
> Only one problem: AFAIK I only started getting the CD versions from AFCD28
> :-(
> Any other places where we might get it? Anyone?

Try http://www.winblows.com It has a Humourous video section that includes
everyones favourite billionairegetting a pie in the face :))

Thanks for your time... 
-- 

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Hello Primo Busancano, on 12-Jun-99 17:51:57 you said about: 
 [afb] Tabby 

>Malcolm Harden wrote,among other things,about his set up.In the list
>he gave was mentioned "Tabby" as a drawing pad.Now can any one tell if
>it is still available or is there some thing just the same on the
>market.If so where can it be got from and the price.
>Many thanks.
>Primo.

Haage & Partner (http://www.haage-partner.com) sell two (i think)
different graphics tablets. Blittersoft are their UK distributors and
may sale them in this country, if not you can order from the H&P
web-site.

--
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
Honesty is the best policy. Dishonesty is the second best policy.

Hello j.hart, on 12-Jun-99 23:02:07 you said about:
 [afb] Word Processor packages 

>Hi

>Does anyone on the list know where I can buy Wordworth 7 or Final Writer 97
>(CD-ROM or  disk)- all the mail order companies I have tried in the UK have
>neither of  these two programs for sale.

>Do either of the programs have up to date support web pages?

Final Writer is, to the best of my knowledge, not available ATM.
Wordworth 7 is - I recently bought it from WeirdScience
(http://www.weirdscience.co.uk).

WordWorth is by Digita - http://www.digita.com
FinalWriter is now "owned" by SoftPartners, http://www.softpartners.com,
although they're supposed to be re-releasing Final Office, etc. the web
site hasn't been updated for ages....

--
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
"Bother," said Pooh, as his mistress' husband came home.

Hello Stephen Mowbray, on 13-Jun-99 08:22:18 you said about:
 [afb] 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon ( OT ) 

[big snip]

>Hope you can help or know of a web site that can. 

Internet Movie Database? IIRC, the URL is http://www.imdb.com

HTH

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-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Furmanski 
To: AF Bulletin 
Date: 13 June 1999 14:30
Subject: [afb] Re: My bad England


>Hi guys
>
>
>>Hello Samuel Brookes, on 13-Jun-99 11:26:49 you said about:
>> [afb] Re: My bad England
>>
>>>>> No. Most of the answers in my French exam were either ":)" or
"possion"
>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>Oh dear, I don't think you're gonna pass if you actually meant
"poisson"!
>>>:)
>>
>>
>>>I meant fish :) At least I *think* Possion is fish.
>>
>>It's all in the spelling - "PoIsson" is fish, dunno what "PossIon"
>>is though.....
>
>Polsson  and Possion are not French words.  Poisson is fish.  I've done
French,
>so obviously I'm right ;-)


Shit...I spelt it "Possion" DOH! well i had failed it either way :)

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Hiya Ralph, you wrote......


> Hello Richard
> 
> On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:
> snip-->
> >> From Monday morning when the cheap weekend phone rates ends I'm
> > unsubscribing from [afb]. I really can't be bothered to wade through the
> > vast amount of junk to find the interesting stuff. If you think I'm a
> > whinging moaning whatever fine, that's your opinion and I'm not offended.
> > It takes a lot more than that to offend me.
> > 
> > If anyone wants to contact me with comments, help or suggestions for
> > Magnum Opus feel free to get in touch with me privatly. But don't bother
> > sending reply's to this mail in private, they'll be binned.
> 
> 
> I to will be unsubing till I here of an inprovement
> 
> Ralph
> 
> 
I totally agree....I'm thinking of doing the same.

It seems to be the same handful of individuals that continually post
crap to this forum and nothing is being done about it.

regards

chris

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Denon AC3 Decoder, JBL Speakers & Kef SubWoofer.....

Hello Alex Furmanski, on 13-Jun-99 13:32:09 you said about:
 [afb] Re: My bad England 

[snip]

>>>I meant fish :) At least I *think* Possion is fish.
>>
>>It's all in the spelling - "PoIsson" is fish, dunno what "PossIon"
>>is though.....

>Polsson  and Possion are not French words.  Poisson is fish.  I've done
>French, so obviously I'm right ;-)

Um, Alex, look again....

That's a capital "i" in PoIsson and not an "l" (i=I, l=L, see?), the
"i"s were capitalised to point out the difference....

I've also done French and remember enough to know that much.

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 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
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Hi all,

I hope Ben doesn't mind (please feel free to slap me round the face with
a wet kipper the next time you see me ;), but due to the moaning about
all of the off topic discussions that have been going on around here, I
have set up an "afb-Off Topic" mailing list.

If you want to have a way, way off topic discussion, or a craving for an
absolutely silly poll, this is the place to do it :)

Anyway, if you wish to join, pop along to
http://www.egroups.com/list/afb-ot/

There is only myself there at the moment and I'm feeling a bit lonely
all on my own... ;)

--
 Andy Mills,
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 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
Grab them by the balls; their hearts and minds will follow.

Hi all,

I am currently using UKOnline as a backup for my U-net connection. I
wondered if i had any web space, so i logged in and i did. of course, there
was nothing in my webspace, apart from a directory called "bin". I was
wondering if this is a CGI bin?? also, what sort of things can i run from a
CGI bin? am i limited to things like forms etc, or can i run complex things
aswell, like u can do with a shell account??

BTW, my web site will be mirrored there from today onwards
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/simmonds/
And mabye, if i have access to CGI apps, i will transfer the development to
ukonline's webspace, and use my U-net as a mirror.

Thanks for your time...
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Here are the results of the vote:

1. Other...			1
2. It may not survive for long			3
3. It'll do OK			3
4. It'll survive, but will only have a small circulation (for an Amiga mag.)			4
5. Just wait and see what happens...			4
6. It'll do well			5
7. It'll do better once the new Amigas are released			11


-----
See the results at http://www.egroups.com/vote?vid=afb

Hello Bill

On 12-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Hello my name is Bill, can any body out there help a novive Amigan? I
> have 3 problems, But first let me tell you what my set up is:-

I see other people have offered solutions for your problems 1 & 2.  Aren't
we a friendly and helpful bunch :)  And so very talkative too......;-)

> Problem 3
> I have recently purchased Simm City 2000 (Second hand) and after
> installing it and clicking on game icon I get the requester 'PANIC NO
> MEMORY' why is this? when I have 32 meg. This also happens if I boot
> with no start up.

I remember I had problems with SimCity2000 when I first got it for my 1200
3.0.  The version initially supplied did not work with some Amigas and I
had to sent it back to Maxis to get a bugfixed version.  Did the person
you bought it from ever get it working on his/her machine?

FWIW, the file dates on my floppies are sc1- 28 Jan 95, sc2 - 27 Oct 94
and sc3 - 28 Jan 95.  You will need to do Window/show/all files to see
these on the floppies as they have no icons.  If I type in "version
SimCity2000" in the shell, it returns 0.037 (after HD installation)

I very much doubt that Maxis will still offer support for this game or the
Amiga but you could try http://www.maxis.com.  If this fails mail me
privately and we'll see what we can do.
 
> Thanks to who so ever replies. 

A pleasure.  Hope you get it working. 

Regards
-- 
Nigel Bent

Powered by Amiga

Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you
won't either.
-- Murphy's laws on sex

> >BV Has anyone on here had their AF yet?
> 
> Just arrived, 12/06/99 . the interview with Jim Collas and comments regarding
> the future were welcome and certainly give us hope, thank you and everyone on
> the team.

So you got it four days after it was on sale here. Not bad either. I'm
certainly pleased that it means that the news isn't so woefully out of date for
subscribers halfway around the world as it can be when you have to buy it from
the shops. Could you do me the same favour as I asked Mark from Canada (didn't
want to misspell your last name Mark)? Can you let me know when that issue is
actually available for sale in NZ? Also, if you thought that interview was
enlightening, wait for the next issue, where a) we'll have the design sketches
for the new machines, and b) there's another interview with the Amiga guys...
:)

Ben

> PLease open attachment and order your book today

Please everyone else ignore this spam.

Ben

> Anyway, to help you the other actors in the film were Cynthia Hawkins,
> Richard Bohringer, Thuy An Luu, Jacques Fabri, Gerard Damon, Dominique
> Pinon, Anny Rommand, Roland Bertin and Chantal Deruaz. 

Well, Dominique Pinon was in Delicatessen and City of Lost Children, not so
obvious, but Richard Bohringer was in Subway, which also had Isabelle Adjani,
Jean Reno and Christophe Lambert, so it should be pretty easy to find a
connection there...

Ben

> > > Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
> > > found on this server."
> >=20
> > Try again now
> >=20
>=20
> Wow, people actually talking amongst themselves about
> MY diskmag. Amazing!

No probs here - downloaded and having as read

    Bomber Harris

Hi Ben,

{Snip}=20

> I disagree. The only thing stupid is *not* asking a question you don't =
know the
> answer to, and this applies here just as anywhere else on the net. =
Bauglir,
> rather than close off your bracket immediately, you could try doing it =
the way
> I do, like so: (This is a silly comment :)

(Ok Ben I submit :-)

    Bomber Harris

> > If you haven't already seen it, spend some money on going to the cinema to
> > see The Matrix. It's great, I give it 4/5.
> 
> I have seen it on Friday and I liked it too. Apparently they are working on
> two sequels...

Unfortunately they also said that those sequels wouldn't be films, but their
first medium which is comics...

Ben

>  I own Lightwave 3D v3.5 and was wondering how I could either
>  upgrade to version 5 or purchase the complete package of version 5.
>  I've heard that Lightwave is no longer being produced for the Amiga
>  so I guess I may be stuck with v3.5, not that there's anything wrong
>  with it, but v5 should in theory be better than v3.5

It is better, but not good enough. You can upgrade by talking to the company in
London that distributes Lightwave for all platforms amgfx (sorry, I haven't got
a phone number handy), or even try going direct to Newtek since you're online.

Ben

> Polsson  and Possion are not French words.  Poisson is fish.  I've done French,
> so obviously I'm right ;-)

If you look more closely at what Andy wrote I think you'll find he did write
poisson, and you're right, possion doesn't exist in French, the nearest word I
can think of would be postillon which means sputter.

Ben

> Well, Dominique Pinon was in Delicatessen and City of Lost Children, not so
> obvious, but Richard Bohringer was in Subway, which also had Isabelle Adjani,
> Jean Reno and Christophe Lambert, so it should be pretty easy to find a
> connection there...

And my girlfriend has just sorted the solution for you if you need it, but it
starts with Christophe Lambert - moves onto (arguably) his most famous movie
and goes on from there...

Ben

Hi Andy,

> I expect they'd be adverse to you uploading anything slightly suspect. Eg.
> Porn, "Ballistic missile construction for beginners" and stuff.

Aw, damn. And I wanted to build a missle to shoot the cat out of my
neighbour's tree too. :-)  

It's been up there for days and its whining's getting to me now...

I'll just swallow my pride and buy an amateur rocket kit then. :(

And no, I won't coax it down, I want to blow the hell out of it.  I want to
see what that would look like ;P

Of course, if anyone knows of a film I can see this in you have a couple of
hours to reply if you want to save a cat. ;)

All the best...

Conor

Hi Alex,

Strange thread this :)
 
> No I'm not, but I noticed you wear your watch on your right arm like I do.
> People always laugh at me for doing it and I thought I was the only person
> who does. My mind is at rest now.

I'm right handed and wear my watch on my right arm too.  I always have, I
can even remember getting my first watch (a Star Wars one that played a
really cool tune :) ) and putting it straight onto my right arm.  It always
felt like that's where it should be, it just feels more natural to me.  My
brother's the same.

I found it very strange that right-handed people wore their watch on their
left arm and I'm fairly inquisitive so I was always looking out for people
who wore it on their right arm (and still always notice which arm they wear
it on, I even did it today as I was walking to the pub :) ) wondering why
they went against "the flow" too.  A few years ago I decided that it didn't
mean anything, there are a lot more people wearing it on their right than I
first thought.

You're not alone at all. :)

Sorry for being off-topic :)

All the best...

Conor

> Re....info on how to make AI better or more
> inteligent via programming trick ect.
> 
> E-Mail me personly so we dont clog up the lists
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

But this is surely a valid subject for the list. Many people will want
to contribute information,.....wont they? 
I'm interested.

     NEIL IVES
[HomeMade Software]
      MALVERN
        UK

Robert Simmonds (memoreks@nibbles.u-net.com) wrote:
> on 12-Jun-99, fool skillfully scrawled something along the subject of [afb]
> Re: POLL: Woo Woo Woo Wuh Wuh Wuh: 
> 
> 
> > 99.999999% (approx :) do though.
> > 
> >> most websites do however begin http://
> > 
> > But you don't bother to say that part unless it is different
> > from http:// do you?  Which (I think) proves my point.
> 
> U can get websites that start with http2://www.etc.
> This was a redirection company offering free domains, but after looking into
> it, u had to use http2:// which only Netscape supports ATM, but there are
> plans (i think) to incorperate them into the latest batch of miggy
> browsers.

Nope, you don't use http2:// but   http2/mysite.whatever

The way this works is that most browsers see the http2/ bit and substitute
it with http://www.http2.com - they just create a drawer under there for
whatever you want your site to be called and redirect it to your real page.

There is AFAIK no real http2: protocol. And if there was, why would they
rename it - I thought you'd just have a  tag at the top of the page
and the browser could act accordingly .... or am I confusing matters?

Kev

-- 
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-----------------------------------------
[ My *PPC* & *CVPPC* Amiga made me reply:|
------------------------------------------
Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:44:37 +0100

[afb] Re: Digitiser


> Greetings  Gerald
>=20
> On 12-Jun-99, you wrote:
>=20
> > Hi Daniel,
> >=20
> >> If you don't like it, don't read it=2E Personalyl, the only computer I
> >> have is my Amiga 1200, but I can still laugh at the Amiga jokes=2E Why
> >> can't anyone else?
> >=20
> > Because Amiga owners are mostly braindead morons with no sense of humou=
r
> > or humility :)

So my Degree in Aerospace Engineering makes me brain dead and the 33K
I earn a year makes me moronic=2E And if you look at my website you`ll
see I have a sense of humour and one thing you don`t have:-

































































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It won't be out of date in three months=2E  Will it?
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Bother said Stephen Harris as he realised we were talking about
WOA Special Released! again...

>>>> Just tried to download it.  "Requested document not
>>>> found on this server."
 
>>> Try again now

Hmm, I seem to have missed that post.  Come to think
of it, afb's been quiet all afternoon - I think egroups
have been playing silly buggers again.
 
>> Wow, people actually talking amongst themselves about
>> MY diskmag. Amazing!

And this post too.

> No probs here - downloaded and having as read

Got it now.  Not too keen on "WOAview" and you could
do with a spellchecker but it's not bad.

Martin.

-- 
MartinJTaylor fool@3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

>   And doesn't it seem a little strange that suddenly as soon as a PDF
> viewer appears on Aminet then this comes along? Coincidence? I dont think
> so!

There's a new PDF viewer available? What's it called, and is it better than
the terrible Unix ports? I always get "gzip" errors when trying to view
PDFs with xPDF or Ghostcsript.

Bauglir

Hi Malcolm,

>> Because Amiga owners are mostly braindead morons with no sense of humour
>> or humility :)
> 
> So my Degree in Aerospace Engineering makes me brain dead and the 33K
> I earn a year makes me moronic. And if you look at my website you`ll
> see I have a sense of humour and one thing you don`t have:-
> FRIENDS

I think your reply to my mail illustrates my point fairly well :/

Bauglir

Hi Paul Cundle, re your comments on [afb] Re: POLL: Woo Woo Woo Wuh Wuh Wuh.

> Has anyone noticed that the Excite websearcher accepts both
> www.excite.com and www.exite.com for lamers who can't spell?

And tell us paul, how did you find this out? You're not a lamer that
can't spell are you ;)

Cheers.
-- 
Mr Anton.

>>> Powered by Amiga in Crewe

anthony.prime@free4all.co.uk
ICQ# 39564005

Hi Phil Stephens, re your comments on [afb] Re: Word Processor packages.

James asked about FW and WW.

> I don't think you'll find that Final Writer 97 is being developed
> anymore, but you should be able to get hold of Wordsworth, I'm sure
> this is still be continued ??

You're right, FW is now discontinued, but this doesn't mean there are
no copies out there. American English version is still avaliable from
Softpartners www.softpartners.com and the speller files *used* to be
for sale seperately. Email them from the site and see what they say.

I think there are still 2 distinct camps here. I really don't like
using WW and think FW is a much better product, but I know many of you
will disagree.

Dheers.
-- 
Mr Anton.

>>> Powered by Amiga in Crewe

anthony.prime@free4all.co.uk
ICQ# 39564005

I have graduated from Final Copy to Final Writer 97. I really like
FW. In some ways it's better than M$ Word.. 
The ability to instantly change a line of text into a graphic text
block then rotate or scale or move it around the page is very useful.
I used FW during a recent HNC course and my kids have used it for
their homework. I use it for simple desk top publishing, video/audio
tape inserts, greetings cards. I also tried Wordworth (can't remember
which version). At that stage I found WW a bit 'kiddyish', not so
professional as FW.It may have 'grown up' since then.

BTW
I also have a PC version of FW. It is a very fresh simple package,
which makes a change from the normal Microstuff I have to use at
work.It doesn't have all of the features of the Amiga version though.

     NEIL IVES
[HomeMade Software]
      MALVERN
        UK

----- Original Message ----- 
From: fool 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 19:44
Subject: [afb] Re: WOA Special Released!


> 
> Got it now.  Not too keen on "WOAview" and you could
> do with a spellchecker but it's not bad.
> 

Ok, this is the last thing I'll answer in this egroup. 
WOAView was a rush bugfix of an original version when
various people who work on the mag said there was a bug
that made it not work. As for spellchecking, I was too
busy trying to make an article at all legible... at which
my attempts failed and the article was removed.

Want more on this, join the immenseley quiet WOA-DM
egroup at http://www.egroups.com/list/woa-dm

Neil

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Neil Bullock 
To: 
Sent: 12 June 1999 11:02
Subject: [afb] Re: WOA Special Released!


> Ok, this is the last thing I'll answer in this egroup. 

Oops, I meant about this particular subject, incase
you were wondering... sorry for the extra mail people.

Neil

Hi Ben,

>> You should come over and visit Ireland sometime. Really, we don't ALL
>> speak like Darby O'Gill :)
> 
> Sure, and youse started it, with yer "big man" bit... :) Anyway, enough
> now.

Hey!  You even got "youse" exactly right!  Very impressive Ben! :)

> Cead mille Failte (sorry if it's misspelt).

Close enough.  A very hearty "Cead Mile Failte" to you too. :-)


All the best...

Conor

Hi Neil,

>> How did I know that you'd comment on this Neil? ;)
> 
> I can't imagine :)

:-)

Thanks for your input.

>> I'll send out a press release when I've got a system in place.
> 
> I'll look forward to it :)

Okay, give me a day or three on this (not long now anyway :) ).

All the best...

Conor

Hi Anthony,

> Welcome aboard.

Thanks :)
 
>> Anyhoo, I've found out how wrong I was, this list seems lively indeed. :)
> 
> I'll give you a week before you start moaning about off topic posts ;)

Recently I've been getting over 600 mails a day altogether from the 12 lists
I'm on.  Or *was* on, it has gotten a bit much, I don't have the time to
cope with that many emails so I've unsubbed from 4 today and will unsub
from most of the rest fairly soon.

Basically... I'm obviously not one to argue much about OT posts :)

The ability to read the list on the egroups site is very handy, I'll
transfer to this method of doing things just as soon as I get through the
backlog of mail from this list that has been incurred as a result of a
short stint away.  Only 657 to go... :)

All the best...

Conor

>  I seem have a problem with Voyager when I write and
> sent E-Mail
>  online.
>  After I have written and sent the message the top
> part of Voyager,
>  where all the icons are, is left with my message
> overlaid, in fact
>  some of the icons vanish completely. Other than
> writing all my
>  E-mails offline, is there a solution to this.

I used to have similar problems, but I updated the MUI
MCC's used by V (cant remember which one, and i'm on
the PC atm... sorry), and it fixed it.

Hi Andy Mills

>>>>I meant fish :) At least I *think* Possion is fish.
>>>
>>>It's all in the spelling - "PoIsson" is fish, dunno what "PossIon"
>>>is though.....
>
>>Polsson  and Possion are not French words.  Poisson is fish.  I've done
>>French, so obviously I'm right ;-)
>
>Um, Alex, look again....
>
>That's a capital "i" in PoIsson and not an "l" (i=I, l=L, see?), the
>"i"s were capitalised to point out the difference....

Damn this font.  l=I here!

>I've also done French and remember enough to know that much.

And I know enough to know when I look stupid.  Curse you God for making me this
way!

Tatty byes
--
Alex Furmanski - a.furmanski@virgin.net
WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

> But this is surely a valid subject for the list. Many people will want
> to contribute information,.....wont they? 
> I'm interested.

Fine - Everyone: if you have interesting info (i have allready found out some stuff thanks to some people on other lists though) on AI, then please post it to the list.

So if you dont`t like the idea of posting Ai on the AFB - don`t flame me!

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Samuel Brookes - Trogladite Software

Hi Conor Kerr

>> I expect they'd be adverse to you uploading anything slightly suspect. Eg.
>> Porn, "Ballistic missile construction for beginners" and stuff.
>
>Aw, damn. And I wanted to build a missle to shoot the cat out of my
>neighbour's tree too. :-)
>
>It's been up there for days and its whining's getting to me now...
>
>I'll just swallow my pride and buy an amateur rocket kit then. :(
>
>And no, I won't coax it down, I want to blow the hell out of it.  I want to
>see what that would look like ;P

Cats have this incredible ability to find the most awkward, out-of-the-way,
remote places you could think of and then getting stuck there.  Almost every
week on Animal Hospital there's a cat stuck on a roof, in a wall or up a tree.
Children have the same inane sort of ability.  They seem to be able to lodge any
foreign boy in any orifice - similarly there's usually one kid on Children's
Hospital with something stuck in some inaccessible place.
One day a doctor's going to have to perform surgery on a kid who got a cat stuck
up his nose.

Tatty byes
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Come join AFB - the most on-topic list ever!

> >> First Against The Wall When The Revolution Comes

Aha.. the complaints division of the sirious
cybernetics corp, iirc. And they were a "bunch of
mindless jerks" too :)

(Go stick your head in a pig :)

On 13-Jun-99 20:31:05, neil.ives wrote:
>I have graduated from Final Copy to Final Writer 97. I really like
>FW. In some ways it's better than M$ Word.. 

That doesn't really say a lot now does it?

-- 
Jens Strange Hansen

Hello

>> >> First Against The Wall When The Revolution Comes
>
>Aha.. the complaints division of the sirious
>cybernetics corp, iirc. And they were a "bunch of
>mindless jerks" too :)
>
>(Go stick your head in a pig :)


Now there's a frood who really knows where his towel is !

Tom

Hi david.baker@ukonline.co.uk

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

>> On 13-Jun-99, Peter Moulden wrote:
>>> PLease open attachment and order your book today
>> 
>> This is a sneaky plan to get everyone asking where they can get a .pdf
>> viewer from is it? :-)

Nope, it's SPAM pure and simple - I have forwarded the file back to the
originator with a terse note... I suggest anyone else who want to stop this
sort of thing do the same - if they can send 600+ copies of this unrequested
file to us, I'm sure they wouldn't like getting 600+ copies in return...

Perhaps they'll get the message when the find they suddenly have 60 MB of
returned mail in their account... ;-)

Regards,

Frost, killer of Spam distributors...
-- 
Bite the hand that feeds you, if it tries to mislead you...

On 13-Jun-99, Gerald Mellor Wrote........



[=>> So my Degree in Aerospace Engineering makes me brain dead and the 33K
[=>> I earn a year makes me moronic. And if you look at my website you`ll
[=>> see I have a sense of humour and one thing you don`t have:-
[=>> FRIENDS
[=> 
[=> I think your reply to my mail illustrates my point fairly well :/

Hmmmmm, Two more people with PMT methinks ;).
Regards
-- 
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*IRC:* EsperNet/#SatanicDreams   ICQ: 34655410
#URL: http://www.satanicdreams.freeserve.co.uk/#
I'm totally unprepared for everyday life.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ferenczy 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 17:40
Subject: [afb] Re: how to be rich


>
> Nope, it's SPAM pure and simple - I have forwarded the file back to the
> originator with a terse note... I suggest anyone else who want to stop this
> sort of thing do the same - if they can send 600+ copies of this unrequested
> file to us, I'm sure they wouldn't like getting 600+ copies in return...
>
> Perhaps they'll get the message when the find they suddenly have 60 MB of
> returned mail in their account... ;-)
>
> Regards,
>

Good idea. Why didn't I think of that. I've sent him my copy :)

Neil

My only successful attempt at an AI was for a game of Othello
(Reversi) that I wrote (using a language called A**S).I prioritised
zones of the board, making the AI choose the best available squares.
It was quite interesting to discover by writing the game that I did'nt
understand the tactics myself at first. Most players try to get a
maximum score everytime and this is what I did with the AI to begin
with, it always looked around the board and chose the highest score
line. I did a bit of research and discovered that a good tactic in
Othello is to try and get low scores and avoid long lines of your own
colour during the early part of the game. What I did was, I made the
game count the turns and until about halfway through the possible
number of goes the computer chooses the lowest scoring position, after
the halfway point it switches to making the biggest scores. This is
quite a convincing AI and even after many matches it still beats me
sometimes. I'm quite proud of it. I'm sure that an experienced Othello
'Master' would kick its ass though. Still, the game was written for my
own experience, not to be a World beater.
BTW. If anyone is interested, my game of Othello is on CUCD24
(I think.....well, I know actually!) in Readers games.




     NEIL IVES
[HomeMade Software]
      MALVERN
        UK

In PRIV.Amiga Format Nigel Bent wrote on Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:39:13 +0000 about [afb] Re: Help!!!!!!!!

Hi Nigel Bent

> I remember I had problems with SimCity2000 when I first got it for my 1200
> 3.0.  The version initially supplied did not work with some Amigas and I
> had to sent it back to Maxis to get a bugfixed version.  Did the person
> you bought it from ever get it working on his/her machine?

This might expain the problem I'm having with the game, as I had it
running for ages on my old machine, but have been unsucessful in
getting it running on either my A4k or my new A1200 :(

> I very much doubt that Maxis will still offer support for this game or the
> Amiga but you could try http://www.maxis.com.  If this fails mail me
> privately and we'll see what we can do.

I'll have to see also, otherwise I might give you a shout, what sort
of probems did you have with the game ?? 

Bye
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                       ICQ  : 26476458
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                       Telephone : (01703) 489701

In PRIV.Amiga Format Anthony Prime wrote on 13 Jun 99 07:08:50 +0000 about [afb] Re: Word Processor packages

Hi Anthony Prime

> I think there are still 2 distinct camps here. I really don't like
> using WW and think FW is a much better product, but I know many of you
> will disagree.

I'd agree with you sort of, having been using FW97 since it came out,
I loved it, haven't really given WW a go though to be fair, but I
don't even use FW97 anymore as I now have Pagestream3 :)

Bye
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                       Email: Snood@UkOnline.co.uk
                       ICQ  : 26476458
                       IRC  : UkArcnet at #ASA
                       Telephone : (01703) 489701

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Stephens 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 22:56
Subject: [afb] Re: Word Processor packages


> In PRIV.Amiga Format Anthony Prime wrote on 13 Jun 99 07:08:50 +0000 about
[afb] Re: Word Processor packages
>
> Hi Anthony Prime
>
> > I think there are still 2 distinct camps here. I really don't like
> > using WW and think FW is a much better product, but I know many of you
> > will disagree.
>
> I'd agree with you sort of, having been using FW97 since it came out,
> I loved it, haven't really given WW a go though to be fair, but I
> don't even use FW97 anymore as I now have Pagestream3 :)
>

I don't use word processors/DTP packages full stop (except at college).
I get by with with trust copy of Blacks Editor at home :)

Neil

Neil Bullock (i03427@trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:
> From: Ferenczy 

neil, do you REALLY have to quote all of the headers too??

> > Nope, it's SPAM pure and simple - I have forwarded the file back to the
> > originator with a terse note

[snip!]

> Good idea. Why didn't I think of that. I've sent him my copy :)

What if said "poster" was actually the victim of someone hacking his
account? Or just pretending to be him? You might end up spamming someone
who is innocent of this crime, which will not only give you a bad name, but
your conscience will plague you for eternity! Muhahahahaha!!  ;-)

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kevin Fairhurst 
To: 
Sent: 13 June 1999 21:12
Subject: [afb] Re: how to be rich


> 
> What if said "poster" was actually the victim of someone hacking his
> account? Or just pretending to be him? You might end up spamming someone
> who is innocent of this crime, which will not only give you a bad name, but
> your conscience will plague you for eternity! Muhahahahaha!!  ;-)
> 

What's your point? :)

Neil

Vost wrote:

>[...] As I've said in the next issue of AF, since
>Amiga plan to enter lots of different markets with this new machine, Amiga
>Format will probably soon have sister mags again, devoted to particular
>areas of the Amiga.

Any chance of seeing Amiga Shopper and Power again if the Amiga NG launch
goes well? I think seeing those mags on the shelves again (maybe with a
slightly updated image, design etc., or maybe not) could make a lot of old 
Amigans who've gone into Windows land come back. After all, most of those
who left are still quite enthusiastic about the Amiga as an OS, computer 
and a community, it's just that they were tired of not being able to run
mainstream software and buy popular hardware at their local PC-store. And
some probably got jobs in the PC industry as well, and had to switch 
platforms...

--
Even Sandvik Underlid,
happy. 

>Now there's a frood who really knows where his towel is !


On that note, does anyone know were I can get a copy of the HHGTTG game for
the Amiga? The only version I've got is for the PC, and having to emulate
probably means I'll never finish.

Remember, share and enjoy :)

Dave
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Neil Bullock (i03427@trogsoft.freeserve.co.uk) wrote:

> > What if said "poster" was actually the victim of someone hacking his
> > account? Or just pretending to be him? You might end up spamming someone
> > who is innocent of this crime, which will not only give you a bad name, but
> > your conscience will plague you for eternity! Muhahahahaha!!  ;-)
> 
> What's your point? :)

No it wasn't me, but I know someone who was "faked" in this way. He got
megs of crap sent to his account, which filled up pretty damn quick. He was
lucky he only had a 4 meg mailbox on his account ....

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

Hello Frost,

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Nope, it's SPAM pure and simple - I have forwarded the file back to
> the originator with a terse note... I suggest anyone else who want to
> stop this sort of thing do the same - if they can send 600+ copies of
> this unrequested file to us, I'm sure they wouldn't like getting 600+
> copies in return...

Don't you think that's pretty senseless? I mean you downloaded 150 kb,
and now you're sending them again. That's just a complete waste of
bandwidth. And you don't honestly think he will download the whole mail?
He will simply delete it on his server, that is if this is his real
email account. Isn't hotmail like yahoo mail, where you do not
necessarily need to download your mail because it is one of those
internet email services?
 
> Perhaps they'll get the message when the find they suddenly have 60 MB
> of returned mail in their account... ;-)

Oh, and he's got your private email address now, maybe he'll send you
your copy of the book for free via mail  :-)

> Frost, killer of Spam distributors...

Regards
-- 
Oliver Esberger - mailto:oliver@websale.de

> Remember, share and enjoy :)

Of course, nobody knows why it does this, because it
inevitably delivers a drink which is almost, but not
entirely, unlike tea :)

Hi Everybody,
>>  And doesn't it seem a little strange that suddenly as soon as a PDF
>> viewer appears on Aminet then this comes along? Coincidence? I dont think
>> so!
> 
> There's a new PDF viewer available? What's it called, and is it better
> than the terrible Unix ports? I always get "gzip" errors when trying to
> view PDFs with xPDF or Ghostcsript.

   APDF, it's just on todays Aminet recent list. Worked fine. (I've never
tried any other ones, I only downloaded it because of that stupid piece of
junk email that appered on the list ;)

See ya.
-- 
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Homepage updated 24/5/99 --- Bomberman clone update & site changes
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system combined.
--The Miscellanea Digest

Hello Alex, on 13-Jun-99 you inspired me to dust off my keyboard by writi=
ng this:

> They seem to be able to lodge any foreign boy in any orifice -

Hehehe :) I really hope you missed the "d" out of that on purpose. That's=

the funniest thing I've seen all day (admittedly I'm a very sad person :o=
) =

).

See ya later
-- =

Oliver Masters  -  Stourbridge, West Midlands  -  oll@masterspiece.com
--
Amiga user and loving it!
--
A1200T PPC603e@160MHz/040@25MHz with BVisionPPC (Sell your Gran to get on=
e. Seriously.) 26Mb RAM. 4.3Gb Seagate HD, 4x & 32x CD-ROMs, 4x CD-R, Zip=
 drive, etc, etc, etc.
--
Reality is for people who lack imagination.

Hello Tim, on 13-Jun-99 you inspired me to question your intelligence by =
writing this elegantly worded complaint:

> My ISPs are accepting mail quite properly, and have been doing so in al=
l
> the time that I have been using them.

Which I assume you phoned them to confirm before you wrote the original
message? I also had a "Bouncing messages" warning from egroups the other
day, when I phoned my ISP to find out if they had any ideas it turned out=

their mail server had been out of action for two periods of not more than=

five minutes each during the time that egroups were complaining about. It=

must have just been bad luck that messages got sent at the exact time the=

server was out of action.

> Your system is fucking up big time, and screwing me around.  Fix up
> your damn useless system, and stop pissing me about!  =


Unfortunately I'm not sure that is really going to tell them enough about=

the actual problem for them to fix it. It's also rather immature.

> If you do not properly respond to my complaint this time, I shall be
> sending back to you, every one of the original FIVE HUNDRED
> registration messages I was sent from your web page, individually,
> every day until you get it right.

Yeah, because egroups will be really annoyed by high volumes of incoming =
mail won't they  Surely this isn't going to cost anyone but you=
?

See ya later, when you regain some rationality,
-- =

Oliver Masters  -  Stourbridge, West Midlands  -  oll@masterspiece.com
--
Amiga user and loving it!
--
A1200T PPC603e@160MHz/040@25MHz with BVisionPPC (Sell your Gran to get on=
e. Seriously.) 26Mb RAM. 4.3Gb Seagate HD, 4x & 32x CD-ROMs, 4x CD-R, Zip=
 drive, etc, etc, etc.
--
Software suppliers are trying to make their software packages more
'user-friendly'.... Their best approach, so far, has been to take all
the old brochures, and stamp the words, 'user-friendly' on the cover.
-- Bill Gates (There's a distinct irony to that really.)

Hello Clive, on 13-Jun-99 you inspired me to dust off my keyboard by writ=
ing this:

> I am trying to install visage from this months AFCD.
> Using the install icon it fails saying it cannot find the script

That's because the icon points to a file that does not exist. Change the
tooltype "SCRIPT=3DInstall Visage" to "SCRIPT=3DInstall_Visage" then it w=
ill
work.

> I've tried to use the shell method but that fails saying it is not an
> installer file

Sounds more complicated than my way :o)

> Could someone please help?

Well, it works here after the above change.


See ya later,
-- =

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--
Amiga user and loving it!
--
A1200T PPC603e@160MHz/040@25MHz with BVisionPPC (Sell your Gran to get on=
e. Seriously.) 26Mb RAM. 4.3Gb Seagate HD, 4x & 32x CD-ROMs, 4x CD-R, Zip=
 drive, etc, etc, etc.
--
"Ouch!" said Tigger upon deciding that anal sex was not for him

Hello Gerald, on 13-Jun-99 you inspired me to dust off my keyboard by wri=
ting this:

>> So my Degree in Aerospace Engineering makes me brain dead and the 33K
>> I earn a year makes me moronic. And if you look at my website you`ll
>> see I have a sense of humour and one thing you don`t have:-
>> FRIENDS
> =

> I think your reply to my mail illustrates my point fairly well :/

Hehehe. Perfect. The reply displays a degree of wit, the first part displ=
ays
everything that the previous post was saying. Nice one Bauglir :o)

See ya later,
-- =

Oliver Masters  -  Stourbridge, West Midlands  -  oll@masterspiece.com
--
Amiga user and loving it!
--
A1200T PPC603e@160MHz/040@25MHz with BVisionPPC (Sell your Gran to get on=
e. Seriously.) 26Mb RAM. 4.3Gb Seagate HD, 4x & 32x CD-ROMs, 4x CD-R, Zip=
 drive, etc, etc, etc.
--
A fool-proof method for sculpting an elephant: first, get a huge
block of marble; then you chip away everything that doesn't look
like an elephant.

>>Aw damn. And I wanted to build a missle to shoot the cat out of my
>> neighbour's tree too. :-)  
>> 
>> It's been up there for days and its whining's getting to me now...
>> 
>> I'll just swallow my pride and buy an amateur rocket kit then. :(
>> 
>> And no, I won't coax it down, I want to blow the hell out of it.  I
>>want to see what that would look like ;P
>> 
>> Of course, if anyone knows of a film I can see this in you have a
>>couple of hours to reply if you want to save a cat. ;)
>> 
>> All the best...
>> 
>> Conor
>> 
>>
Hi 
 I don't know of a film that you can see this in, but could I have
 your address. I too am rather curious as too what this would look 
 like:):D

David

Hello Phil Stephens

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

>> I very much doubt that Maxis will still offer support for this game or
>> the Amiga but you could try http://www.maxis.com. If this fails mail me
>> privately and we'll see what we can do.
> 
> I'll have to see also, otherwise I might give you a shout, what sort
> of probems did you have with the game ?? 

Er, I don't remember exactly as it was some time ago.  I do remember that
it wouldn't start up at all and there may have been some memory problem 
reported.  When I phoned Maxis, they were aware of the problem and I
returned my disks for replacement.  No problems since - except the music -
why did they bother?

Regards
-- 
Nigel Bent

Powered by Amiga

Some people hope to achieve immortality through their works or their
children.  I would prefer to achieve it by not dying.
-- Woody Allen

Hi,

>No it wasn't me, but I know someone who was "faked" in this way. He got
>megs of crap sent to his account, which filled up pretty damn quick. He was
>lucky he only had a 4 meg mailbox on his account ....


Should that happen to anyone here the best way to shift it is to open a
Hotmail (or similar) account and use its ability to fetch POP3 mail. You get
your mail box emptied instantly and if you are worried that an important
email was in the junk you can still check it on the web without having to
download it all! I worked that one out for a friend who got mail bombed a
while back, but it works in this case too :)

Hope that that can be of use to someone.

Dave
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Hello Robert

On 12-Jun-99, you wrote:

>RS>> Frogs can do it as well. I bet there are some fish who have changed
>RS>> from female to male - visit Dungeness. (for those who don't know,
that
>RS>> is an incorrectly spelt place in the SE of England where there is a
>RS>> nuclear power station by a river filled with dayglow fish).
>RS> 
>RS> I live about 20 miles from there :)
>RS 
>RS Try visiting some of the places near here, about 15 miles away in the
>RS Fens... I am sure there are PEOPLE who can do this kind of thing...:)
>RS 
>RS Ahhh... The legacy of Inbreeding lives on

Is that the place where family trees have no branches,  just a trunk?

All the Best

Colin

-- 
"Blobberer," said Poo when he realised that his stick of chewing gum was in
fact a razor blade.
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Hello Alex

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

 
>AF Cats have this incredible ability to find the most awkward,
>AF out-of-the-way, remote places you could think of and then getting stuck
>AF there. Almost every week on Animal Hospital there's a cat stuck on a
>AF roof, in a wall or up a tree. Children have the same inane sort of
>AF ability. They seem to be able to lodge any 

foreign boy in any orifice -

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Typo I hope Alex. If not I think that you may need help!

>AF similarly there's usually one kid on Children's Hospital with something
>AF stuck in some inaccessible place. One day a doctor's going to have to
>AF perform surgery on a kid who got a cat stuck up his nose.
All the Best

Colin
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Hello Vincenzo

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

>VM On 13-Giu-99, j.hart@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>VM 
>VM>  Hi
>VM>  
>VM>  Does anyone on the list know where I can buy Wordworth 7 or Final
>VM>  Writer 97 (CD-ROM or disk)- all the mail order companies I have tried
>VM>  in the UK have neither of these two programs for sale.
>VM 
>VM Have you tried Digita Int. or LH Publishing?
>VM 
>VM Digita +44 1 395 270 273
>VM LH Publishing +44 1908 370 230

I called L.H. a few days ago to ask about upgrades to PageStream 3.3 and was
told that not only had they not heard anything from SoftLogic for a long
time but they no longer thought that the Amiga software market was large
enough to continue in. The programmes that they carried no longer sold in
any quantity. I might have picked a bad day to ring them but I think not.
If somebody formally so supportive of the Amiga market now thinks in that
way then it is a very sad day indeed.

All the Best

Colin

-- 
Peter Butterworth (of Carry On fame) was rejected for a part in the wartime
escape movie The Wooden Horse because it was thought he would not be
believable in that role. He was in-fact one of the real life escapees of
the incident on which the film was based.

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on 13-Jun-99, Andrew Mills skillfully scrawled something along the subject
of [afb] New ML - afb-ot....: 

> Hi all,
> 
> I hope Ben doesn't mind (please feel free to slap me round the face with
> a wet kipper the next time you see me ;), but due to the moaning about
> all of the off topic discussions that have been going on around here, I
> have set up an "afb-Off Topic" mailing list.

I commend your initive, but i do believe that this will not help one little
bit :(

I will explain: Most "Off Topic" subjects come from "On topic" Threads. Its
when people pick up on small things (such as taglines, spellings,
punctuation, small errors in peoples info etc.) and these get wildly OT. I
think that this list needs rules, and quickly, otherwise there will be a
lot more people leaving this list (myself included) for ML's that have less
tollerance for this kind of thing.

Dont get me wrong, the occaisional slightly OT tread brings a bit of fresh
air to the ML, but most of what i am reading now, apart from the initial
few mails at the beginning of each thread, are OT.

Lets not let this lapse into the TA ML :)

Thanks for your time...
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on 13-Jun-99, Kevin Fairhurst skillfully scrawled something along the
subject of [afb] Re: POLL: Woo Woo Woo Wuh Wuh Wuh: 

> Nope, you don't use http2:// but   http2/mysite.whatever

Thats right. I couldnt remember what it was, but i knew there was http2 in
there somewhere :)

> The way this works is that most browsers see the http2/ bit and substitute
> it with http://www.http2.com - they just create a drawer under there for
> whatever you want your site to be called and redirect it to your real
> page.

Correct, unfortunately, no amiga browsers support it yet. to access it on
the amiga, you need to go to http://www.http2.com/

For instance http://www.http2.com/www.amiga-showcase.co.uk/

> There is AFAIK no real http2: protocol. And if there was, why would they
> rename it - I thought you'd just have a  tag at the top of the page
> and the browser could act accordingly .... or am I confusing matters?

No. If http 2 was introduced, it would still be accessed by http:// just
like http 1.1 is etc.

Thanks for your time...
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on 13-Jun-99, Alex Furmanski skillfully scrawled something along the subject
of [afb] Re: Save the cat!: 


> in a wall or up a tree. Children have the same inane sort of ability. They
> seem to be able to lodge any foreign boy in any orifice

What? like foreign exchange students and stuff?? Now thats something i would
like to see!: ;)

"hmmm Pips invitation..Pips invitation..... THATS RIGHT! I SHOVED IT UP MY
ASS!!"
 

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According to Pete, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: Go slow at 8 pm.
 
> P.S. You should ALWAYS turn on your peripherals BEFORE your computer!
> -- 
> Pete :-)

Is that really true? I never knew that and I've never had any probs.
I suspect you mean "always plug in your peripherals before...". If I
turn on my printer before the computer it flashes the orange light to
say there's an error - something to do with it not picking up a signal
from the Amiga so I always turn it on after.

Paul C.
--
... Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they AREN'T after you.

I was just going to bed, when Neil Bothwick wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

> >> First Against The Wall When The Revolution Comes :)
> 
> > So you did make it up.
> 
> Only the acronym (OK Richard, abbreviation). The phrase comes for
> HHGTTG :)

Hitch Hikers... that was obvious. Now stop it. /Pleeeaasse./

> Neil

Paul C.
--
... The older a man gets, the farther he had to walk to school as a boy.

What are you on about, Matthew Garrett?

> > Does this mean that you/your company has to pay for registering both
> > www.pecadiloes.com and pecadiloes.com even though only one is ever
> > used?
> 
> You only have to register pecadiloes.com - once you have the domain, any
> hostnames within it are yours. There's something like 40,000 hostnames
> under cam.ac.uk, so registering each one individually would cost a
> fortune...

Does that mean that you also have rights to hello.pecadiloes.com ;
armadillos.pecadiloes.com etc? I'm not quite sure if I understood.
> 
> > And what do you call those numbers that you see when you goto a
> > URL like 123.34.65.34 ?
> 
> That's the IP address> -- 

I did know that but I completely forgot it. Ta.

And to save another reply, to Anthony, it was someone at school who
did www.exite.com. I can actually spell pretty well (except maybe
armadillos).

> Matthew Garrett

Paul C.
--
... To most people solutions mean finding the answers. But to chemists
      solutions are things that are still all mixed up.        

According to David, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: POLL: Woo Woo Woo Wuh Wuh Wuh.

> Hi Paul,

Hello,

> 
> >Has anyone noticed that the Excite websearcher accepts both
> >www.excite.com and www.exite.com for lamers who can't spell?
>  
> Yeah, but how did you find out without being (like me) a lamer who can't
> spell? :)
> 
As said to someone else, it was someone at school did it. Honest.

> >And what do you call those numbers that you see when you goto a URL
> >like 123.34.65.34 ?

[blah blah]
Okay, thanks. I remembered they were IP addresses when I saw the
reply. Didn't realise that was how they worked though. You learn
something every day (especially here!).
 
> Dave.

Paul C.
--
... Never put off until tomorrow what you can avoid doing altogether.

I was just going to bed, when Alex Furmanski wrote this and I just HAD to read it:

> Hi PC

Keep reading...
 
[sniiiiiiiiiiiiip]
 
> Are you really a PC?

Uh, no. No. NO. NO!. Windows error#12321434422 I'm going to bugger up
your system and phone Satan in America on your phone
line faffFS@SDG@Gggsg@GGS@GD@

I changed my sig from PC to Paul C. a while ago when someone on the
NC2 list (was it you?) pointed it out. Observational skills lacking at
the mo, Alex?
 
> If we go even more OT, more people will leave the list so there will
> be fewer posts to the list.  That means we can say more per person
> without going over the limit.  Great!

Nice idea. So, Mr F, how are your exams going? Heard any good jokes
lately? How's your dog?
 
> Alex Furmanski

Paul C.
--
Who is no longer a PC, and has decided to stop this particular thread
before we both get thrown off for making everyone unsub.

According to Alex, there's something good going on and it's
something to do with [afb] Re: Save the cat! (was UKOnline - webspace info).

Hello again Alex, I'm getting worried about you now:

> Cats have this incredible ability to find the most awkward,
> out-of-the-way, remote places you could think of and then getting
> stuck there.  Almost every week on Animal Hospital there's a cat
> stuck on a roof, in a wall or up a tree. Children have the same
> inane sort of ability.  They seem to be able to lodge any
> foreign boy in any orifice

Now, /please/ tell me that was a typo. If not, then please go away and
never talk to any of us again. I don't know where you live but I've
never actually seen a child with a foreign boy in an orifice - but
then I've never actually checked ;)
 
> Alex Furmanski

Paul C.
--
... Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving
      from where you left them to where you can't find them.

Help! I'm trapped in Anthony's Rules and regs! Get me out of here!


> Lets have a look at them then. I think we do need to do something so
> a starting point for discussion would be a good thing IMHO

Well, better ask Ben first.

Ben, is it alright if I post my list rules here? It's rather long, at 
7KB, so I think it's best to get approval first.

On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 05:19:37PM +0100, Malcolm Harnden wrote:
> > > Because Amiga owners are mostly braindead morons with no sense of humour
> > > or humility :)
> 
> So my Degree in Aerospace Engineering makes me brain dead and the 33K
> I earn a year makes me moronic. And if you look at my website you`ll
> see I have a sense of humour and one thing you don`t have:-

(snip)

Zounds - the irony.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 10:11:47PM +0100, David Patterson wrote:
> On that note, does anyone know were I can get a copy of the HHGTTG game for
> the Amiga? The only version I've got is for the PC, and having to emulate
> probably means I'll never finish.

If you have the PC version, you don't need it. Try investigating "Frotz" -
it should be on Aminet. All the infocom games were based on a virtual
machine system that means the same data files were used on every platform,
so all you need is the data file and an interpreter (of which Frotz is
probably the best).

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

On Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 10:54:03PM +0000, Paul Cundle wrote:

> Does that mean that you also have rights to hello.pecadiloes.com ;
> armadillos.pecadiloes.com etc? I'm not quite sure if I understood.

Yup - once you have the domain, you can have as many hosts or subdomains
inside it as you want.

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59@cam.ac.uk

On 13-Jun-99 00:06:06, Samuel Brookes (ami-gerbil@ami-gerbil.freeserve.co.uk)
wrote:

>Hi, i found out how to get afb back into my mail box, but i still dont have
>the ones inbetween

>So can someone on this list send me all messages starting at a message
>called "Re: Poll: Who buys Amiga games?" by Chris Millar sent *about* 04:13
>12/06/99 upto the message called "Re: Help!!!!!!!!" by David Patterson sent
>*about* 20:17 12/06/99

I have them if you want them, but be warned there are 116 of them!


Regards,

Andy

--
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http://www.sills.cjb.net/ ICQ:13697313

http://www.FREE4ALL.co.uk/ - Free Internet Access

On 12-Jun-99, Neil Bullock wrote:

>Good idea. Why didn't I think of that. I've sent him my copy :)

Careful not to just be giving them your verified email address for future use.


I'm sure that egroups have rules against spamming which presumably Ben will
bring to egroups attention.

Hello j.hart@ukonline.co.uk

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

>j Hi

>j Does anyone on the list know where I can buy Wordworth 7 or Final Writer 97
>j (CD-ROM or disk)- all the mail order companies I have tried in the UK have
>j neither of these two programs for sale.

WW7 can be purchased via Digita  < http://www.digita.co.uk >  Finalwriter was
supposed to be released as part of FinalOffice courtesy of softpartners who
after posting that they were going to press with the CD in November have not
had any change in their web page so It looks like that avenue has closed. But
you can try < http://www.softpartners.com > if you wish

Regards
-- 
Kind regards

==========================================
Chris Faircloth.    Auckland ,   New Zealand
==========================================
*Amiga Phoenix For The Future*   

ICQ # 38728970

Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is
time to reform.
-- Mark Twain

> Nope, it's SPAM pure and simple - I have forwarded the file back to the
> originator with a terse note... I suggest anyone else who want to stop this
> sort of thing do the same - if they can send 600+ copies of this unrequested
> file to us, I'm sure they wouldn't like getting 600+ copies in return...
> 
> Perhaps they'll get the message when the find they suddenly have 60 MB of
> returned mail in their account... ;-)

No, they won't, they'll just ditch that mail account and you'll get it back as
a bounced message. Like I said, just ignore it. :(

Ben

Hello David

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> On that note, does anyone know were I can get a copy of the HHGTTG game
> for the Amiga?

Yep. Possibly one of the best computer games ever written. I don't know if
there was an Amiga version, though (I've got the C64 one, myself).

> The only version I've got is for the PC, and having to
> emulate probably means I'll never finish.

You could try using one of the 3rd party infocom interpreters with the data
files from your PC copy.

Have a look at the interactive fiction archive:

http://wuarchive.wustl.edu/doc/misc/if-archive/

Cheers,
Richard

[Reaches for another bottle of Ol' Janx Spirit  . . .]
 
-- 
Richard Drummond
Staff Writer, Amiga Format

mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

> Any chance of seeing Amiga Shopper and Power again if the Amiga NG launch
> goes well? I think seeing those mags on the shelves again (maybe with a
> slightly updated image, design etc., or maybe not) could make a lot of old 
> Amigans who've gone into Windows land come back. After all, most of those
> who left are still quite enthusiastic about the Amiga as an OS, computer 
> and a community, it's just that they were tired of not being able to run
> mainstream software and buy popular hardware at their local PC-store. And
> some probably got jobs in the PC industry as well, and had to switch 
> platforms...

I doubt that AS will resurface, unless there are a lot of technical issues for
the new machine, but it's quite likely that AP will, although possibly not
under that name.

Ben

> > Lets have a look at them then. I think we do need to do something so
> > a starting point for discussion would be a good thing IMHO
> 
> Ben, is it alright if I post my list rules here? It's rather long, at 
> 7KB, so I think it's best to get approval first.

Go ahead, we'll open it up for discussion.

Ben

Hi,
 I was wondering if anyone with RPG interests could help me out.
My favourite html based IC chat site has become overrun with die hard PC users who have the strange idea that the amiga is dead.
I would very muchly appriciate it if ppl who are _very_ good at arguing the case for amiga, and against MicroStuf, could login to WebRPG's The Keep
http://199.172.2.115:3333 
Please remember that this is an IC chat site (kinda like a mud, but with no rules or commands) so you'll need a character. And don't insult anyone, cos you'll get sued. Especially Nanaki (one of the sites police types, who is one of the DieHards).

Thanks in advance to anyone who acepts this call to Arms.

-XATiminey

(PS my usual aliases are Xela, Curator and Chelerack)

> Hi,
>  I was wondering if anyone with RPG interests could help me out.
> My favourite html based IC chat site has become overrun with die
> hard PC users who have the strange idea that the amiga is dead.

Where could they have gotten that idea? Funnily enough, they're
right from a certain POV.

Go into PC World and buy an Amiga. Can't do it, can you? So how
are Amigas supposed to survive as viable alternatives to PCs when
you can only get them thru readily established Amiga channels
which only the most die-hard Amiga owner knows about?

> I would very muchly appriciate it if ppl who are _very_ good
> at arguing the case for amiga, and against MicroStuf, could
> login to WebRPG's The Keep http://199.172.2.115:3333 

Don't do it.

> Please remember that this is an IC chat site (kinda like a mud,
> but with no rules or commands) so you'll need a character. And
> don't insult anyone, cos you'll get sued. Especially Nanaki (one of
> the sites police types, who is one of the DieHards).

.. or just don't go there at all. Give it up, don't bother riling people
up for the sake of a circuit board and some 5 year old software and
the notion that you can actually do something USEFUL on them
without knowing them inside out.

> Thanks in advance to anyone who acepts this call to Arms.

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi,
Just like the recent 'Reinforcments required' thing, I want to know if
there are any similar Amiga related web based chat thingies I can use at
college when I'm bored (which is very often at the moment)

btw, I've tried the Undernet CGI to IRC gateway thingy, but it's crap and
incredibly slow.

Thanks
Neil

Is there a time limit on how long polls can stay up for?

What is the usual time for a poll to be up?

Is it only the poll creator who can cancel or end the Poll?

John

Hi j.hart@ukonline.co.uk,

> Is there a time limit on how long polls can stay up for?

No, there isn't, which is Why I always put the date I put it up at the start
of the poll question when I do one, so I can see how long it's been up.

> What is the usual time for a poll to be up?

I wouldn't leave it up for any longer than a month or so.

> Is it only the poll creator who can cancel or end the Poll?

I can as well.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)     T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Click...Click... Damn!  Out of taglines!

Hi Ben.

In the last issue of AF you reviewed C compilers.  Now VBCC and DICE have both been on the CD recently but in uncompiled form.  I have tryed to the best of my (limited) knowledge to get either of these up and running but I cant.

Ive copied the files to my hard drive and read all the documents for them both.  I want to write (or try to write) C programs but without knowing how to get these two programs to work and how to start using them I'm at a dead end.  Can you do a piece in the next issue (r the one after that) on how to get these up and running as no doubt there's others like me who dont want to pay out for StormC (esspecially after the comparison you printed).

Thanks in advance,

Bifford.

Hello Bifford

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:

> In the last issue of AF you reviewed C compilers. Now VBCC and DICE have
> both been on the CD recently but in uncompiled form. I have tryed to the
> best of my (limited) knowledge to get either of these up and running but I
> cant.

Both VBCC and DICE have appeared on recent AFCDs in _compiled_ form.


> Ive copied the files to my hard drive and read all the documents for them
> both. I want to write (or try to write) C programs but without knowing how
> to get these two programs to work and how to start using them I'm at a
> dead end. Can you do a piece in the next issue (r the one after that) on
> how to get these up and running as no doubt there's others like me who
> dont want to pay out for StormC (esspecially after the comparison you
> printed).

To install it:

cd 
lha x AFCD40:-Seriously_Amiga-/Programming/C/VBCC/archives/vbccm68k.lha


To configure before use (sets up assigns, paths, etc):

cd vbcc/machines/amiga
execute init_vbcc


To compile program.c to program.exe

vbcc program.c -o program.exe


Cheers,
Richard

-- 
Richard Drummond
Staff Writer, Amiga Format

mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
pgp   : http://www.drummond.u-net.com/download/richards_key.asc
phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

Wezza wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> With regards to your problems registering MUI the address given in the SASG registration
> is wrong Paul Jewells address is not in cardiff he has moved
> 
> the adress is
> 
> 48 Park Avenue
> Portcawl
> CF36 3ER
> 

Is there a chance of putting a .readme file in the MUI folder on future CD's to inform people of this Ben.  For people without access to the Net this is important information!

Thanks,

Bifford.

Hi Richard,

> To install it:

> cd 
> lha x AFCD40:-Seriously_Amiga-/Programming/C/VBCC/archives/vbccm68k.lha


> To configure before use (sets up assigns, paths, etc):

> cd vbcc/machines/amiga
> execute init_vbcc


> To compile program.c to program.exe

> vbcc program.c -o program.exe

And the above may alone prove a good enough reason to buy one of the
"packaged" C compilers, like HiSoft's or Storm, that's why they exist.

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)     T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
try this: http://www.amiga.org

Hi samuel_byford@student.surrart.ac.uk,

> Is there a chance of putting a .readme file in the MUI folder on future
> CD's to inform people of this Ben. For people without access to the Net
> this is important information!

TBH, I think we would be better off advising people to register directly
with Stefan Stuntz, since Paul Jewell is notorious for ignoring
registrations...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)     T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
   Amiga Format - The worldwide mag for
          *all* Amiga owners.

Paul Cundle said, 

>> It's certainly worth it. The best time to run a virus scan is just
>> before you do a backup. The worst thing to do is overwrite your
>> clean backups with corrupted files.

> Oh yes, backups. I would do a check before I backed up my HD except I
> never back up my HD! I have no way of doing it (800MB onto floppies -
> methinks not) but wish I could.

You don't have to back up everything. Program files will be on the
original disks or wherever you downloaded them from. It's config and
data files that need to be backed up, and then only the ones that have
changed since the last backup. A decent backup program will allow for
selective and incremental backups, and file compression could halve
the number of disks needed.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Top Oxymorons Number 46: Found missing

David Patterson said, 

> For example, the site I do a little work on is pecadiloes.com -
> http://pecadiloes.com will initiate a HTTP connection for web access,
> ftp://pecadiloes.com will work for FTP access. It can also be reached by
> http://www.pecadiloes.com but there is actually only one physical server, we
> just redirect www back to pecadiloes.com.

> And this all leads to the difference between "address" and "URL", but I
> usually get them the wrong way round, so I'll leave that to someone else...

An address usually refers to a machine address, such as
pecadiloes.com. A URL (Uniform Resource Locator) is a way of
specifying a location on the internet, together with the method used
to connect to it and information to be sent to it.

The full contents of a URL are

	protocol://login:password@server:port/path?extra-data

Protocol is usually http for web pages (although it may be https and
most browsers will also show the result of an ftp request as a web
page if the path is a directory)

login:password@ is used for password protected servers, such as
private FTP sites.

Server is the machine address, pecadiloes.com in this case

Port is optional and defaults to 80, the standard port for web servers

Path is the path to the file on that server, say index.html or
mystuff/mypic.gif. If not given, the default page used by that server
is used, usually either index.html, home.html or default.html

?extra-data is normally used to send data to CGI scripts. for example
a server-side image map will send the coordinates here.

> Well I'm done plugging the site :)

Ok, my turn now http://www.wirenet.co.uk (or http://wirenet.co.uk :)


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Why isn't phonetically spelled that way?

Paul Cundle said, 

>> >eM If this message bounces too, a probe will be sent to you.  If the
>> >eM probe bounces, you will be removed from the afb e-group,
>> >eM without further notice.

> Aren't egroups clever? So, if that message had bounced and the probe
> (what?) bounced you would have been unsubbed. But you wouldn't have
> received the message, so why did they bother telling you.

In case it was a temporary problem, so you know why you've missed
messages. It gives you an indication of problerms that you otherwise
may have been unaware of. It's more intelligent than the way Majordomo
handles things, where you can get unsubscribed after a singe bounce.

That happened to me more than once when I was with Demon :(


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time.

Andrew Mills said, 

> It's all in the spelling - "PoIsson" is fish, dunno what "PossIon"
> is though.....

It's an atom with a missing electron...


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Do PAL taglines take up two scanlines?

Gerald Mellor said, 

> If you're reading all the messages online then it's definitely cheaper to
> have them delivered to your email account. It should only take you 5-10
> minutes to download the 100-200 emails a day that the AFB generates,

Ten minutes to download 200 mails? Are you using a 300 baud modem? !!!


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
I just bought a microwave fireplace... You can spend an evening in
front of it in only eight minutes...

P Gordon aka Mr Tickle said, 

> Actually, I would be annoyed if an Amiga spreadsheet
> had a 3d flightsim in, unless there was an option NOT
> to install it from the installer.

I'd be grateful to have an Amiga spreadsheet capable of running a 3D
flight sim :(


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
If a program is useless, it must be documented.

Colin Buckenham said, 

> I called L.H. a few days ago to ask about upgrades to PageStream 3.3 and was
> told that not only had they not heard anything from SoftLogic for a long
> time but they no longer thought that the Amiga software market was large
> enough to continue in.

I spoke to Larry a couple of weeks ago and got a similar impression.
however, you can upgrade PageStream direct from SoftLogik, although
they don1't take credit cards ATM. If you pay the 4.0 upgrade fee now
you can download a beta of it from their private FTP site.

It's possible that someone else may be taking up PageStream
distribution in the UK.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Q. How many mice does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A. Only two - but it's difficult to get them in there.

Chris Pratt said, 

>> In the "Bill got pied" survey there are 12 people who said that they
> didn't
>> know where they could find the clip. FYI it's in
>> AFCD25:-In_the_Mag-/Flantastic!

> Only one problem: AFAIK I only started getting the CD versions from AFCD28
> :-(
> Any other places where we might get it? Anyone?

Aminet, of course.

PTL-Bill.lha       pix/mpg    4.6M  68+Bill Gates Gettin' Pied Mpeg !! By PTL


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
MACINTOSH: Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs

Andy Mills said, 

> Have you also noticed how AOL have worded their adverts so if you don't
> know better and don't listen to it properly, it sounds like they're
> free?

Did anyone see the MD of AOL(UK) on Newsnight last week. I only
caught the end of it but he seemed to be putting forward a good case
of unmetered Internet calls. He certainly stood up to Paxman better
than the other guy, who appeared to be representing BT's interests.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Unable to open TROUSER.ZIP - replace floppy and retry.

Neil Bullock said, 

> Errrrr, yeah.... and who here using an Amiga wants or can easily view a 113K
> PDF file?

There are at least three PDF viewers for the Amiga. The newest, Apdf,
has a MUI interface, supports PPC and has some neat font mapping
options.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
"Bother" said Rue, for no apparent reason

Paul Cundle said, 

> I was just going to bed, when Neil Bothwick wrote this and I just HAD to read
> it:

> Hitch Hikers... that was obvious. Now stop it. /Pleeeaasse./

OK (that's the abbreviation oh-kay, not the acronym ock :)


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Call out the vice squad!  Someone's mounting a disk drive!

Here are the results of the vote:

1. Tesco.net			2
2. FreeUK			3
3. Free4all			17
4. UKOnline			20
5. Freeserve			28


-----
See the results at http://www.egroups.com/vote?vid=afb

> 
> > Is there a chance of putting a .readme file in the MUI folder on future
> > CD's to inform people of this Ben. For people without access to the Net
> > this is important information!
> 
> TBH, I think we would be better off advising people to register directly
> with Stefan Stuntz, since Paul Jewell is notorious for ignoring
> registrations...

Better still, wait til WOA, and register it there. Get your keyfile then
and there, no messing!

Chris - AmigaSoc

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> 
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> 

 > > To install it:
> > cd 
> > lha x AFCD40:-Seriously_Amiga-/Programming/C/VBCC/archives/vbccm68k.lha
> > To configure before use (sets up assigns, paths, etc):
> > cd vbcc/machines/amiga
> > execute init_vbcc 
> > To compile program.c to program.exe
> > vbcc program.c -o program.exe
> 
> And the above may alone prove a good enough reason to buy one of the
> "packaged" C compilers, like HiSoft's or Storm, that's why they exist.
> 

Does this mean I just write the C program like I would a AREXX one?  (can I 
use ED ?) with the extension .C ?  This was probably explained in AF 
but if so, I glossed over it.

Bifford.
 

I recently ran into a problem when booting up my Amiga... it refused to boot
up at all (well, the HD makes a few sound but that is all). I booted with no
startup-sequence next, and the system loaded just fine but the amount of fast
memory was zero...

Next I tried accessing the PPC startup menu but it wouldn't show up at all
(black screen). Running a diagnostics program (after boot w/o startup) simply
freezes the machine (AIBB, SysInfo) and FPU-using programs crash too. A small
program called CPU tells me I still have 040 but I suspect it just checks for
the associated libraries.

To me this sounds like my PPC card has decided to die. Ironic, since I just
moved my Amiga into a tower to avoid overheating the darn thing... Still, I'd
like to have an opinion of more experienced people on this before I sent the
card anywhere. Oh, and I can't test the card on another machine since AFAIK
I'm the only Amigan around my town. :(


- Jani M.
Finland
* A1200(T), PPC603e/040, 15" SVGA, 200W PSU, HP670C Deskjet *
* Amiga (ab)user since '88                                  *

  wrote: 

> TBH, I think we would be better off advising people to register directly
> with Stefan Stuntz, since Paul Jewell is notorious for ignoring
> registrations...

I first tried to register MUI through him- I sent off the money (cash) in an envelope to Wales and never got a reply. Subsequently I registered both MUI and MagicWB on the SASG website. Anyone who has ever thought of registering MUI this way take note. If you simply want to support the Welsh nation and distribute some of that wealth, go ahead though.

John Hart 

Hi j.hart@ukonline.co.uk,

> MUI and MagicWB on the SASG website. Anyone who has ever thought of
> registering MUI this way take note. If you simply want to support the
> Welsh nation and distribute some of that wealth, go ahead though.

If people continue to just send him cash, perhaps that should be changed to
"to support the Wealth nation and distribute..." :)

All the best,
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Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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   sake, different because it's better.

 <19990614114029.14477.rocketmai-@web4.rocketmail.com> wrote: 
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=15242

> Next I tried accessing the PPC startup menu but it wouldn't show up at all
> (black screen). Running a diagnostics program (after boot w/o startup) simply
> freezes the machine (AIBB, SysInfo) and FPU-using programs crash too. A small
> program called CPU tells me I still have 040 but I suspect it just checks for
> the associated libraries.

Possibly 040 libraries? Did you install properly from the Phase 5 disk? Also have you flash upgraded?

> 
> To me this sounds like my PPC card has decided to die. Ironic, since I just
> moved my Amiga into a tower to avoid overheating the darn thing... Still, I'd
> like to have an opinion of more experienced people on this before I sent the
> card anywhere. Oh, and I can't test the card on another machine since AFAIK
> I'm the only Amigan around my town. :(

It may not be dead, I needed to spend ages with my setup before I started to understand it. Find out as much information as you can, try every permutation possible. Do the Floppy lead power hack as well. PPC (and 040) usually need all the power they can get.

Regards
John

---j.hart@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>
> Possibly 040 libraries? Did you install properly from the Phase 5 disk? Also
have you flash upgraded?

Yup, proper installs & flashupdated... the PPC board worked just fine for
several months before acting up. The strangest thing was, it worked perfectly
fine until one fine evening it refused to work at all. :(

> It may not be dead, I needed to spend ages with my setup before I started to
understand it. Find out as much information as you can, try every permutation
possible. Do the Floppy lead power hack as well. PPC (and 040) usually need
all the power they can get.
> 
> Regards
> John

Well, As I mentioned above it worked fine (except for the strange vertical
flicker on screen whenever a PPC program was running, I blame AGA for that)
without any floppy lead hacks. In fact I got the whole thing right on the
first try!


- Jani M.
- Finland

 <19990614121835.19249.rocketmai-@web4.rocketmail.com> wrote: 

> Yup, proper installs & flashupdated... the PPC board worked just fine for
> several months before acting up. The strangest thing was, it worked perfectly
> fine until one fine evening it refused to work at all. :(

This is a bit frightnening...Have you checked if the card is seated properly and any leads are in place. Suddenly stopping working like that suggests hardware but you never know- it could be a little thing that you have only just recently done. Retrace your steps. How about a complete software re-install? When you said it works OK when you boot without startup sequence made me think of the 040 libraries (which are started by SetPatch- I use setpatch 43.6). You then say you try to run software and you get FPU errors- this could be because your startup sequence hasn`t enabled the features of the 040? 

Mine even now occasionally doesn`t boot but I know for sure that it is a power problem. When I can I`ll run the Tower from its own socket, for now it`s on a 4 way expander with the Monitor etc.

How do you get to the early startup screen if you cannot get the PPC early boot screen? When mine doesn`t boot, it won`t do anything- I have to turn it off and on again, a reset won`t do it. Perhaps you have a PPC card that is flashed with the additional BVision support and you not using one is causing problems- I really don`t know.

John

 <19990614121835.19249.rocketmai-@web4.rocketmail.com> wrote: 
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/afb/?start=15246

I was wondering if the problems *started* when you did the flash...

Just a theory.

John Hart

> Hi Ben.
>
> In the last issue of AF you reviewed C compilers.  Now VBCC and DICE have
> both been on the CD recently but in uncompiled form.  I have tryed to the
> best of my (limited) knowledge to get either of these up and running but I
cant.

VBCC is up and running on my system, compiled and everything. What I want to
know is how do you compile your compiler if you don't already have a
compiler?

(and don't say use a compiler compiler :)

> the next issue (r the one after that) on how to get these up and running
as no
> doubt there's others like me who dont want to pay out for StormC
(esspecially
> after the comparison you printed).

Sam - RTFM. VBCC has docs telling you where to extract archives and place
files. So does DICE.

--
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Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

On 10 Jun 1999, Paul Cundle wrote:
> >   How about www.  So far I've heard
> >    - wuh wuh wuh
> >    - woo woo woo
> Yeah, right. Are you sure they weren't just lacking medication?


  woo woo woo (dot) puffing billy (dot) com		:)


bye,
  Chris


--
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Hi Matt

> VBCC is up and running on my system, compiled and everything. What I want to
> know is how do you compile your compiler if you don't already have a
> compiler?
> 
> (and don't say use a compiler compiler :)

Well, obviously, it involves opening up your hard drive and using a veeery small magnet....

14/6/99.  Recently an issue has been raised concerning Amiga owners and their girlfriends.  Mainly not having any.  So in an effort to uncover the truth, and prove the ignorant wrong, I have created this poll.  So please indicate your relationship with girls by picking the most appropriate response.

----

Please select one of the following:

   o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship
   o Actually, I struggle to keep all my bitches happy
   o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...
   o Relationships are things that happen to other people
   o Girls?  Who needs 'em when I've got my computer's groinal attachment hooked up! Grr!
   o I'm bent
   o Err... excuse me, I am a girl
   o Both of the above


by going to the following Web form:

   http://www.egroups.com/vote?id=929365264940

Thank you!

> 
> ----
> 
> Please select one of the following:
> 
>    o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship
>    o Actually, I struggle to keep all my bitches happy
>    o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...
>    o Relationships are things that happen to other people
>    o Girls?  Who needs 'em when I've got my computer's groinal attachment
hooked up! Grr!
>    o I'm bent
>    o Err... excuse me, I am a girl
>    o Both of the above
> 

Hardly the most nicely put poll in the history of afb! 

Neil

Bother said Ben Vost as he realised we were talking about
Time for Polls again...

>> Is it only the poll creator who can cancel or end the Poll?

> I can as well.

Me too :)  Sometimes when I go to the site, there's
a button to close some polls - as I have never started
any of them I can only assume that there's something
wrong with egroups setup.

Martin.

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Hello Colin Buckenham, on 13-Jun-99 22:28:27 you said about:
 [afb] Re: Word Processor packages 

[snip]

>I called L.H. a few days ago to ask about upgrades to PageStream 3.3 and was
>told that not only had they not heard anything from SoftLogic for a long
>time but they no longer thought that the Amiga software market was large
>enough to continue in. The programmes that they carried no longer sold in
>any quantity. I might have picked a bad day to ring them but I think not.
>If somebody formally so supportive of the Amiga market now thinks in that
>way then it is a very sad day indeed.

In that case, why are Softlogik releasing the 3.4 upgrade and v4.0 of
PageStream for the Amiga? At least they claim they are on their
web-site...

I was speaking to Larry Hickmot (sp?) at WoA last year and he said then
that he (L.H. Publishing - 1 person, IIRC) was getting less than five
Amiga related/sales phone calls a week.

There again, I can't remember when the last time I saw him advertise,
which isn't exactly going to help - how are people otherwise going to
know if he exists or is still going?


--
 Andy Mills,
 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
And all the Borg left was this darn Macintosh...

Hello Alex Furmanski, on 13-Jun-99 16:21:30 you said about:
 [afb] Re: My bad England 

[snip]

>>That's a capital "i" in PoIsson and not an "l" (i=I, l=L, see?), the
>>"i"s were capitalised to point out the difference....

>Damn this font.  l=I here!

Bad typists always blame their fonts ;)

>>I've also done French and remember enough to know that much.

>And I know enough to know when I look stupid.  Curse you God for making me
>this way!

Ahem, well, it is now over ten years since I did French at school and I
can only remember a few words - poisson being one of them.... :-/

--
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--
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On 14 Jun 1999 12:6:55 +0100, Neil Bothwick wibbled...

> Did anyone see the MD of AOL(UK) on Newsnight last week. I only
> caught the end of it but he seemed to be putting forward a good case
> of unmetered Internet calls. He certainly stood up to Paxman better
> than the other guy, who appeared to be representing BT's interests.

The thing is, if we did get unmetred calls, it would hardly affect AOL
users, as they pay AOL by the hour.

On the subject of unmetred calls, does anyone use Cable & Wireless Internet
(or Internet Light), as I'm thinking of moving to them for the unmetred
offer they're doing.
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On 13-Jun-99, Richard Lane wrote:
 
> This morning when I did my first download of email there was the two
> messages new messages in the AFB folder. The first one is a 150k pile
> of junk in the form of a PDF attachment, and the second is is one is
> from Tim Siefert to egroups about the problems he's having. Which
> judging from the way his reply is worded will end up in egroups bin.
> 
> When I first subscribed to the afb list It was interesting and the
> amount of off-topic stuff kept to a minimum.
> 
> Several months on the volume has increased as the number of
> subscribers has gone up, which is fair enough. But, for most of the
> time it's degenerated fast into a complete pile of junk.
> 
> Don't get me wrong, the odd bit of humour is good fun. But the amount
> of pointless drivel is getting to ridiculous levels. It's a shame that
> certain people seem to think this is their own personal forum to
> discuss every topic they wish, reply just for the sake of it etc, etc.
> This list *could* have been so good.
> 
> As I've said before it's not the amount of mail I object to, it's the
> amount of junk. It's a shame that the minority spoil it for the
> majority.

I begin to agree and seriously consider to unsubscribe!
 
Regards
-- 
Zipper

proud owner of A500 powerhouse ala '91
now cooking with A4000/233PPC

Quoted stuff--> >>> Gerald Mellor  06/11 =
7:37 PM >>>
Quoted stuff--> Hi Daniel,
Quoted stuff-->=20
Quoted stuff--> > If you don't like it, don't read it. Personalyl, the =
only computer I have
Quoted stuff--> > is my Amiga 1200, but I can still laugh at the Amiga =
jokes. Why can't
Quoted stuff--> > anyone else?
Quoted stuff-->=20
Quoted stuff--> Because Amiga owners are mostly braindead morons with no =
sense of humour or
Quoted stuff--> humility :)
Quoted stuff-->=20
Quoted stuff--> Bauglir... probably shouldn't be sending this to an Amiga =
mailing list, but
Quoted stuff--> does anyway for reasons explained above ;)
***End Quoted stuff***

Hey! I take offense to that statement! (I didn't see the original post of =
course) but it's the braindead moron part I take offense to...

I like Amiga users, (Mostly, except the ones that have nothing better to =
do than brag about how fast their PC is...)

Now, if you look anywhere you'll find a complete moron that'll stand up =
and LOUDLY represent any group/culture/niche. And alas, it's still illegal =
to shoot them so we have to deal with them...

Anyways, maybe it's the braindead moron part of me that keeps me being an =
Amiga fan... if so then I guess I'll just have to be happy with that :)

Laterz,

P.S.
Where you been for the last two weeks Baug?!?!
Jack
Aka Scotsman, Godzilla

> I'd be grateful to have an Amiga spreadsheet capable
> of running a 3D
> flight sim :(

I think what you mean is you would like a decent
flightsim on an Amiga. If you had a nearly full hard
disk, and needed the spreadsheet, you'd curse the
flightsim part. And don't try and tell me you
wouldn't!!

_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

> It's an atom with a missing electron...

Nope. Thats a positive ion, which wouldn't be
shortened to Possion, because:

A) Theres only one S in positive
B) Theres no point

:-P

People other than me-->>>> "Ben Vost"  06/14 =
4:15 AM >>>
People other than me-->Hi Richard,
People other than me-->
People other than me-->> To install it:
People other than me-->
People other than me-->> cd 
People other than me-->> lha x AFCD40:-Seriously_Amiga-/Programming/C/VBCC/=
archives/vbccm68k.lha
People other than me-->
People other than me-->
People other than me-->> To configure before use (sets up assigns, paths, =
etc):
People other than me-->
People other than me-->> cd vbcc/machines/amiga
People other than me-->> execute init_vbcc
People other than me-->
People other than me-->
People other than me-->> To compile program.c to program.exe
People other than me-->> vbcc program.c -o program.exe
People other than me-->
People other than me-->And the above may alone prove a good enough reason =
to buy one of the
People other than me-->"packaged" C compilers, like HiSoft's or Storm, =
that's why they exist.
People other than me-->
People other than me-->All the best,
People other than me-->--=20
People other than me-->Ben Vost (x2337)     T: (+44) 01225 442244
People other than me-->Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
***Begin ME***
Hey, I have another question relating to C and only barely relating to =
this thread. :)

I've got SAS/C 6.5 at home on Floppy and without Docs... (But I have some =
C tutorials and enough info to get it working I believe).

I'm not a programmer, but would like to take a shot at learning to =
develop, is SAS/C a waste of time? How does it rate with modern and =
current developers environments?=20

Also, last I read it was no longer supported or developed. Has anyone =
picked up development on it again? Can it be used to write PowerPC code as =
well?

Any input would be MUCH appreciated (As well as where good Documantation =
for the SAS/C environment could be found.)

Thanks,
Jack
Aka Scotsman/Godzilla

Hi Guys,

If you would like to have your website included (or updated) on Amiga
Format magazine's CD #43, (issue 127, September 1999), could you please
upload your archived website site to:

             ftp2.futurenet.co.uk/pub/incoming

The ABSOLUTE deadline is *Tuesday 22nd *June but, we would appreciate
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1. Due to space restrictions, websites are now updated *every four weeks*
   basis so, if you don't update your website you'll probably find your
   website won't be included on the Amiga Format CD!

2. We make every possible effort to include your website on the Amiga
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   unable to offer any firm guarantees that your website will be included.

3. Some of you have been sending your updated websites to the Future server
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Hello Bifford

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Does this mean I just write the C program like I would a AREXX one? (can I
> use ED ?) with the extension .C ? This was probably explained in
> AF but if so, I glossed over it.

The C compilers thingie in the last issue was not meant to be an
introduction to the topic.

But anyway, a C source file is just a plain ASCII file. Create with it with
your favourite text editor.

The filename suffix is not 100% necessary, but it'll stop everybody
(especially the compiler itself) getting confused. Most compilers perform
different operations on files depending on their suffix. E.g.:

*.c          C source
*.h          C header (this is a file that get's included by a source file)
*.a[sm]      assembly source
*.o          object code (code that has been compiled but not linked)

And, BTW, it's a lowercase 'c'. Uppercase ("*.C") generally refers to a C++
source file.


Cheers,
Richard

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mailto: richard.drummond@futurenet.co.uk
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phone : +44 (0)1225 442244 ext 2417

> 14/6/99.  Recently an issue has been raised concerning Amiga owners and their girlfriends.  Mainly not having any.  So in an effort to uncover the truth, and prove the ignorant wrong, I have created this poll.  So please indicate your relationship with girls by picking the most appropriate response.
> 
> ----
> 
> Please select one of the following:
> 
>    o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship
>    o Actually, I struggle to keep all my bitches happy
>    o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...
>    o Relationships are things that happen to other people
>    o Girls?  Who needs 'em when I've got my computer's groinal attachment hooked up! Grr!
>    o I'm bent
>    o Err... excuse me, I am a girl
>    o Both of the above
> 
> 
Errmmm...I have found a fault...(That's what's supposed to happen, isn't it?)
Well, I DO have regular contacts with women - I don't go out with them (As in boyfriend/girlfriend because I am way too picky) but I do, well, anyway, lets not go into that shall we as there may be some people that may take offence as to what I was going to say, because after all, tehre are DEFINITELY some under 18's on this list...

sorry about my big head, but you know...

Anyway, Amiga NG...
What happened to the November box?
Was it November 1998, or November 2098?(Or am I so thick and unintellectual that it has actually come out and I have had my eyes closed and not noticed?)

Also, JUST WHAT GOD DAMN CPU will this 'NG Monster' have in it?
In something I have read lately, there was a choice of CPU's and one of them was PowerPC, one was ProjectX.  there was no mention of a 'Mystery Multimedia Chip' in there...Just what is going on...
Is there a new MM CPU in production, or are they using an 'off the shelf' CPU?
Looks like some people are being kept in the dark...
I know they can't realease EVERY detail, as they would have many other companies up their arse trying to create an AmigaNG-beater, but this is silly.

i hate it when people say they are going to do something by a particular time and then not do it...
Still, that's the world for you...

Hi All.
My Dad came round the other day with a Black Widow Parallel Scanner, and he said that I could have it.

Well, I can't find no drivers for it!

HELP!

Could someone please help me out here?
I REALLY need to use it.

I WOULD get and SCSI one, but to be honest, I can't afford an SCSI interface (I have an Overdrive HD in my PCMCIA slot and I can't find a Viper Mk-II SCSI interface anywhere (And they're about 80!))
Also, the scanner was free.

Are there any parallel drivers for ANY scanner at all?
IF there are, why aren't there none for the Black Widow?

I have found LOADS of SCSI scanner drivers, but no parallel...

I know the Amiga's Parallel port was made for nothing more than just a printer, but SURELY a scanner will work...

Pete.

> 
> 1. Tesco.net			2
> 2. FreeUK			3
> 3. Free4all			17
> 4. UKOnline			20
> 5. Freeserve			28
> 
I don't think this is a fair poll as it is really just who is on which ISP.

Obviously people are going to say that the ISP that THEY are on is the best...
After all, Tesco only has 2 people, but Freeserve have 28.
this is because more people are on Freeserve.
they are less likely to change aswell.

I ahve lost myself here, but if you are intelligent, you'll know what I'm getting at...:o)

Pete.

> >    o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship
> >    o Actually, I struggle to keep all my bitches happy
> >    o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...
> >    o Relationships are things that happen to other people
> >    o Girls?  Who needs 'em when I've got my computer's groinal
attachment hooked up! Grr!
> >    o I'm bent
> >    o Err... excuse me, I am a girl
> >    o Both of the above
> >
> >
> Errmmm...I have found a fault...(That's what's supposed to happen, isn't
it?)
> Well, I DO have regular contacts with women - I don't go out with them
> (As in boyfriend/girlfriend because I am way too picky) but I do, well,
anyway,

:)

I`m not too pleased with the anonimity of the poll, though. I almost wish
I didn`t vote (but I did pick the most relevant answer even if it wasn`t
100%
true)

> Anyway, Amiga NG...
> What happened to the November box?

Got delayed. Shut your moaning, you didn`t need it.

> Also, JUST WHAT GOD DAMN CPU will this 'NG Monster' have in it?

MIPS, PPC, Alpha or that Transmeta chip (which looks like a no-no)
for the CPU -  for graphics, Glaze3D (http://www.bitboys.fi) or NUON
(http://www.nuon-tech.com). NUON could also be used as a processor
in it`s own right, too, IIRC.

I bet it`s MIPS and/or PPC with Glaze3D providing the graphics. If
you`ve seen the specs you`ll agree with me, and there is a link to
the Amiga in the Glaze chip`s development team..

> mention of a 'Mystery Multimedia Chip' in there... Just what is going
on...

BTW MMC stood for MultiMedia Chip when they announced it, some dufus
made the Monster Mystery Chip shit up. I hate it when people pollute
abbreviations like that.

Anyhoo, legend has it that the MMC manufacturer pulled out/went bust
after the OS partner allegedly pulled out. Legend has it that the OS
partner was Be and judging by Jim's "I don`t find them exciting"
comments I`d say that was a sneaky stab at them. Legendary legend
says that the MMC people were Chromatic Research, who made the
!MPact chipsets (as featured in that Cerberus thing) who were bought
by Canadian card giant ATI.

> Is there a new MM CPU in production, or are they using an 'off the shelf'
CPU?

Off the shelf. If it ain`t broke, why fix it?

> Looks like some people are being kept in the dark...

Us, yes. I would think that the staff at Amiga know what`s going on.
Things called Non-Disclosure Agreements sort of prevents people talking..

> I know they can't realease EVERY detail, as they would have many
> other companies up their arse trying to create an AmigaNG-beater,
> but this is silly.

No it isn`t, it`s perfectly rational behaviour for a prospective forefront
technology company.

If you understood the inner workings of the industry you`d understand.

> i hate it when people say they are going to do something by a particular
> time and then not do it... Still, that's the world for you...

Yep, live with it.

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Hi ultrasbm@hotmail.com,

> I don't think this is a fair poll as it is really just who is on which
> ISP.

Doesn't have to be, there may be people on here who were on Freeserve and
moved to another ISP (not listed) and wouldn't recommend Freeswerve to
anyone, and so picked a different ISP. As it turns out, this poll was
pretty limited since there are over 80 free ISPs now...

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)     T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Hyperbole is absolutely the worst 
      mistake you can possibly make

Ultrabsm AKA 'Pete' typed in afeverish manner:

>I don't think this is a fair poll as it is really just who is on which ISP.
>Obviously people are going to say that the ISP that THEY are on is the
best...
>After all, Tesco only has 2 people, but Freeserve have 28.
>this is because more people are on Freeserve.
>they are less likely to change aswell.

I don't think that I voted for this one...
I have a FreeUK subscription but hardly ever use them...
I can consistently get a 33600 connection with them, but when I use
my Pipex (paid for) account - I get 43-46000 all the time... go figure!

>I ahve lost myself here, but if you are intelligent, you'll know what I'm
getting at...:o)

Yeh - you meant that the, uh, last one, umm, shows that the, errrrr - (got
it)
- statistics are MEANINGLESS!


Yay to the AFB Pollsters.... you come up with such great polls!


:)
Tudor

PS Persons may like to note that I have not started any Polls on AFB.
This is due to my complete disinterest in how tall people are, how many feet
they have and whether they use Dustbusters or aerosols to clean their
keyboards!

> Yeh - you meant that the, uh, last one, umm, shows that the, errrrr - (got
> it) - statistics are MEANINGLESS!

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics :)

> they have and whether they use Dustbusters or aerosols to clean their
> keyboards!

Just for the record, I use a screwdriver and a cloth from a glasses case.

flip, clean, flip, clean, flip..

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

> Hi, i am surfing around the e-groups web site (yeppy - egroups musta fixed it or something :) and i have
>    decided to fill in a few polls. I am bored so i decided to create a pointless poll - but i am interested in the
>    results :) So: what musical instrument(s) do u play? 

I can play a stereo quite well, but that's about as far as I get.

james

Hi all (except those on FreeServe who probably won't get this),

So is Freeserve's mail server down again, since loads of freeserve addresses
on this list seem to be bouncing all of a sudden?

All the best,
-- 
Ben Vost (x2337)     T: (+44) 01225 442244
Editor, Amiga Format F: (+44) 01225 732275
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    I'll try anything once too often

Daniel Thornton said, 

> On 14 Jun 1999 12:6:55 +0100, Neil Bothwick wibbled...

>> Did anyone see the MD of AOL(UK) on Newsnight last week. I only
>> caught the end of it but he seemed to be putting forward a good case
>> of unmetered Internet calls. He certainly stood up to Paxman better
>> than the other guy, who appeared to be representing BT's interests.

> The thing is, if we did get unmetred calls, it would hardly affect AOL
> users, as they pay AOL by the hour.

AOL also do a flat rate package.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
"Bother," said Pooh, as someone else stole his taglines.

P Gordon aka Mr Tickle said, 

>> I'd be grateful to have an Amiga spreadsheet capable
>> of running a 3D
>> flight sim :(

> I think what you mean is you would like a decent
> flightsim on an Amiga.

I meant what I said. There isn't a powerful, modern spreadsheet for
the Amiga.

> If you had a nearly full hard
> disk, and needed the spreadsheet, you'd curse the
> flightsim part. And don't try and tell me you
> wouldn't!!

If I had a nearly full hard disk, I'd either delete stuff or get a
bigger one. Nearly full hard disks get very slow. Why worry about a
few KB, the real waste of space in most programs is the features you
don't use, not the easter eggs.


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Brain fried -- core dumped.

P Gordon aka Mr Tickle said, 

>> It's an atom with a missing electron...

> Nope. Thats a positive ion, which wouldn't be
> shortened to Possion, because:

> A) Theres only one S in positive
> B) Theres no point

You're trying to apply logic to something French. A fatal mistake :-O


Neil
-- 
Neil Bothwick - http://www.wirenet.co.uk   icq://16361788
Connected via Wirenet, The UK's first Amiga-only internet access provider
--
Grow your own dope, plant a politician!

Matt Sealey replied in a comical manner:

>> they have and whether they use Dustbusters or aerosols to clean their
>> keyboards!

>Just for the record, I use a screwdriver and a cloth from a glasses case.

>flip, clean, flip, clean, flip..

I'm currently AJHGDSJG cleaning KJHAIUDSFIUB my keybAOPJI&*()&oard
using 684CF/*/ a large 087423o5jk broom aaaaaaand a 9087niojion89h hose.

There - that looks better! Wonder if I should have turned
the power off psshfffirrsssttt....

note: This thread is now officially moving into Off-Topic realms. Should you
not
wish to receive any further messages - unsubscribe, disconnect from the
Internet and go back to using to using snail mail.

l8r
Tudor

** Great things about the Internet #77 **
No matter how careful you are, you will repeatedly receive unwanted mail.

** Great things about the Internet #78 **
No matter how careful you are, you will repeatedly receive unwanted mail.

** Great things about the Internet #79 **
No matter how careful you are, you will repeatedly receive unwanted mail.

Neil Bothwick penned:

>You're trying to apply logic to something French. A fatal mistake :-O

ROTFL :)

Nice one Neil....

:)
Tudor

Hi Oliver Masters

>> They seem to be able to lodge any foreign boy in any orifice -
>
>Hehehe :) I really hope you missed the "d" out of that on purpose. That's
>the funniest thing I've seen all day (admittedly I'm a very sad person :o)


No, that was a typo.  Works both ways though, fortunately.  This'll be our
little secret ;-)

Tatty byes
--
Alex Furmanski - a.furmanski@virgin.net
WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

Hi Paul


>Hello again Alex, I'm getting worried about you now:
>
>> Cats have this incredible ability to find the most awkward,
>> out-of-the-way, remote places you could think of and then getting
>> stuck there.  Almost every week on Animal Hospital there's a cat
>> stuck on a roof, in a wall or up a tree. Children have the same
>> inane sort of ability.  They seem to be able to lodge any
>> foreign boy in any orifice
>
>Now, /please/ tell me that was a typo. If not, then please go away and
>never talk to any of us again. I don't know where you live but I've
>never actually seen a child with a foreign boy in an orifice - but
>then I've never actually checked ;)


Well done.  You're person number 4 to spot this.  And you moan at me for wasting
bandwidth ;-)

Tatty byes
--
Alex Furmanski - a.furmanski@virgin.net
WWW: http://freespace.virgin.net/anna.furmanski

Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs.

> Hi all (except those on FreeServe who probably won't get this),
>
> So is Freeserve's mail server down again, since loads of freeserve
addresses
> on this list seem to be bouncing all of a sudden?

I can connect and look at my mail no problem. Ah, the wonders of telnet :)

--
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Bother said Ben Vost as he realised we were talking about
Freeserve dying AGAIN? again...

> Hi all (except those on FreeServe who probably won't get this),

:)

> So is Freeserve's mail server down again, since loads of freeserve
> addresses on this list seem to be bouncing all of a sudden?

Apparently not, as I received this.

There's also no mention of problems on their status page
but that doesn't neccessarily mean anything.

I can only assume that the server has been going down for
very short periods of time and then coming back up again.

Martin.

-- 
MartinJTaylor fool@3amigas.freeserve.co.uk
Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Alex Furmanski 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 4:51 PM
Subject: [afb] Re: Save the cat! (was UKOnline - webspace info)


> Hi Paul
> 
> 
> >Hello again Alex, I'm getting worried about you now:
> >
> >> Cats have this incredible ability to find the most awkward,
> >> out-of-the-way, remote places you could think of and then getting
> >> stuck there.  Almost every week on Animal Hospital there's a cat
> >> stuck on a roof, in a wall or up a tree.

:) Yes, cats DO do that. It`s funny. I like the way that they sort of
realise there`s no way out the way they came in, and just get more
stuck :)

> >> Children have the same inane sort of ability.  They seem to be
> >> able to lodge any foreign boy in any orifice

I think you mean... innate :)

-- 
Matt Sealey mws2@le.ac.uk
Distributed Systems Support
Computer Centre
University of Leicester

Jack Thompson (thompsja@ohsu.edu) wrote:
> People other than me-->>>> "Ben Vost"  06/14 4:15 AM >>>

[big snip!]

Woah there Jack! I think you SERIOUSLY need to reconfigure your mailer! A
23 character quote seperator just to tell us all you didn't write that bit?
That's nearly a third of the whole line!!!

Please please please Change it to just a single "> " ?  Please?

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

Hi Dave

>On that note, does anyone know were I can get a copy of the HHGTTG game for
>the Amiga? The only version I've got is for the PC, and having to emulate
>probably means I'll never finish.


I never knew there was a game,   if you find out could you let  me know ?


>Remember, share and enjoy :)


I've got a pain in all the diodes down my left  side


>Dave


Tom

>>>> "Kevin Fairhurst"  06/14 8:21 AM >>>
>Jack Thompson (thompsja@ohsu.edu) wrote:
> People other than me-->>>> "Ben Vost"  06/14 =
4:15 AM >>>
>
>[big snip!]
>
>Woah there Jack! I think you SERIOUSLY need to reconfigure your mailer! A
>23 character quote seperator just to tell us all you didn't write that =
bit?
>That's nearly a third of the whole line!!!
>
>Please please please Change it to just a single "> " ?  Please?
>
>Kev
>
>Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

I know, I know... I already got the administrative wrist whacking.. I =
won't mention from whom, but his name rhymes with Ben Vost. :)

Was just trying to break the tedium of having to manually insert the >'s

Later,
Jack
Aka Godzilla/Scotsman

P.S.
Anybody have an answer to the actual question in my original post?  :)

> Hi all (except those on FreeServe who probably won't get this),
> So is Freeserve's mail server down again, since loads of freeserve
> addresses on this list seem to be bouncing all of a sudden?


I had a few problems a couple of days ago but its all working at the moment.

Tom

Hi Neil,

> up with the same ideas eventually. Like I've said, M$ do not deserve cr=
edit,
> some features in their products, do.

I think Microsoft deserve credit for their achievements. Its hardly fair =
to slag
them off with out recognizing their software's good points is it ?
After all, if M$ have put the features in the software, they deserve cred=
it for
it.

Regards
-- =

Phil Edwards    WWW:  http://www.edwards98.u-net.com  |
                             IRC: Tipsy #Amiga uk1.arcnet.vapor.com |
                           Email:  phil.edwards@freeamiga.org           |=

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

Hi Conor,

> Aw, damn. And I wanted to build a missle to shoot the cat out of my
> neighbour's tree too. :-)  

Aww, man. Don't tell me I'm going to have to let my maths teacher live....

Regards
-- 
Phil Edwards    WWW:  http://www.edwards98.u-net.com  |
                             IRC: Tipsy #Amiga uk1.arcnet.vapor.com |
                           Email:  phil.edwards@freeamiga.org           |
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Neil

On 11-Jun-99, you wrote:

>> Only cos the codesets are so damned impossible to work out by hand!
> 
> It took me about ten minutes for each one.

That's if the manufacturer uses one of the eight or so common frequencies,
which apparently Mistubishi, Aiwa and Binatone don't. Rats! ;-)

>> PS - If anyone does have any codeset info, or has figured out a quicker way
>> of figuring out the frequencies then I would still love to know...!
> 
> Did you try the way I suggested in the follow up article?

Yes, but without much luck. Looking at the program, it has about 12,000
possible permutations, and even a fanatic like me only has so much time. I
wonder whether it's possible to write an ARexx script that would increment
these every few seconds, at least allowing me to sit and press a button on the
remote to test it. That way, I could cycle through any combination in a maximum
of 7 or so hours! Assuming the batteries hold out that long... (and my sanity!)
;-)

The only other thing that would be perfect is a custom bit of hardware that
could do this for you... I had a look at some of those universal remote
controllers, but these use a unique code system for the manufacturers, but
presumably the information needed is stuck on a chip inside the damn thing - if
we could read that, then we could get dozens of obscure codes in a few
seconds... Hmmm.... something similar to one of those PIC programming gadgets?

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
- Albert Einstein

Ho ppl, =

    I'm stupid, it's official. I found an archive somwhere on the great e=
xpanse known as the internet. The archive had in it some patches for Turb=
oPrint V6, which stoped TurboSpool crashing and also had some more driver=
s in it. I decompressed the archive and installed the s/w. Or so I though=
, it turns out I acctually didn't delete it but trouble is I can't instal=
l the files by hand becasue i've now delete the archive DOH!
    Does ne1 else have this patch? if so, you couldn't tell me where I go=
t it from could please? Iv'e got no idea where I got it from but I know i=
t wasn't Aminet or The IreeSoft website :(
    Cheers ppl, help or no help

BobF
nsthomas@clara.co.uk

On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:33:55 +0200, Pekka Sippola wibbled...

> > As I've said before it's not the amount of mail I object to, it's the
> > amount of junk. It's a shame that the minority spoil it for the
> > majority.
> 
> I begin to agree and seriously consider to unsubscribe!

I don't want to cuss you up man, but you just sent a mail agreeing that
there was too much junk, and also quoted the whole previous mail.

Now, that was a little silly, wasn't it? :)

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On 14 Jun 99 17:21:31 +0200, Kevin Fairhurst wibbled...

> Woah there Jack! I think you SERIOUSLY need to reconfigure your mailer
> Please please please Change it to just a single "> " ?  Please?

Actually, can everyone who doesn't use ">" do this, please? When you use
your non-standard separators (initials, funny symbols etc.), it not only
makes the mail look bad, but it also makes it very hard to follow.

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>> Remember, share and enjoy :)
>
>Of course, nobody knows why it does this, because it
>inevitably delivers a drink which is almost, but not

>entirely, unlike tea :)


Hmm, Is there any tea on this mailing list ? 

Tom

Hello again. Only me!

PC vs Amiga.

Surely the way to look at this is purely from a users point of view. After
all a personal computer is only a (wonderfully powerful) tool. If you
picked up a screwdriver that felt uncomfortable compared to another you
wouldnt use it, unless you didn't know any better. When computers moved
from a console interface to a graphical user interface they were moving in
an inevitable path toward complete user friendliness which may well have a
speech only interface at some stage (what about a neural implant?). The
problem for many newcomers is that computers are dauntingly complicated. A
friendly, obvious, straight forward user interface means more people are
comfortable using your computer. The very name of the Amigas GUI,
'Intuition' says it all. It is intuitive, it represents the actual filing
structure. It is instantly obvious what is installed on your computer. It
doesn't need to be learned. Surely this is not true of the Wintel OS. I
know you can learn how to use it, but you shouldn't
have to learn it! 
As the Amiga has now been around for, what 15 years (?), I guess we are
entitled to criticise this much plugged Wintel GUI that still isn't a patch
on Intuition.

-- 
---------------
        NEIL IVES
[HomeMade Software]
        MALVERN
              UK      
---------------

Amiga owners do it before the PC has finished booting.

Richard Lane wrote:
> This morning when I did my first download of email there was the two
--Snip--
> Best Regards, Richard Lane - richard@amiga.prestel.co.uk
> 
> Author: AmiNET - biz/dopus/Magnum_Opus31a.lha
> Magnum_Opus support site - http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/amiga
>                         Powered by *AMIGA*
> 
I'm afraid I totally agree with you,as I don't have two or more hours
to sift through a load of pointless replies to usually OT subjects.
 I'm going to give it one more week to see if it improves,or else I
will just read what I want on the egroups site.Shame as it seemed to
be just what we needed.
 
-- 
Steve Mepham  e-mail corvus@namlangis.u-net.com  ICQ #34471132
Any Amiga users living near me in Kendal or South Cumbria ??

Hi,

> > Please select one of the following:
> > 
> >    o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship
> >    o Actually, I struggle to keep all my bitches happy
> >    o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...
> >    o Relationships are things that happen to other people
> >    o Girls?  Who needs 'em when I've got my computer's groinal attachment hooked up! Grr!
> >    o I'm bent
> >    o Err... excuse me, I am a girl
> >    o Both of the above
> > 
> > 
> Errmmm...I have found a fault...(That's what's supposed to happen, isn't it?)
> Well, I DO have regular contacts with women - I don't go out with them (As in
boyfriend/girlfriend because I am way too picky)

I realise my fault now. There should have been another choice:
 "I'm fussy about girls.  In fact I'm so fussy I've never had one."
 
Thanks for pointing it out. ;-) 

> but I do, well, anyway, lets not go into that shall we as there may be some
people that may take offence as to what I was going to say, because after all,
tehre are DEFINITELY some under 18's on this list...

This is most suspicous and definetly sounds like the one with the groinal
attachment.  And yes you'd better keep it to yourself. ;-)

I am a bit dissapointed about only being allowed 8 choices, I had plenty more
ideas in my mad rampage of cheap sexual innuendoes.  BTW no offence is
intended.  I feel e-groups should offer at least 30 or 40 choices.

> I recently ran into a problem when booting up my Amiga... it refused to boot
> up at all (well, the HD makes a few sound but that is all). I booted with no
> startup-sequence next, and the system loaded just fine but the amount of fast
> memory was zero...
> 
> Next I tried accessing the PPC startup menu but it wouldn't show up at all
> (black screen). Running a diagnostics program (after boot w/o startup) simply
> freezes the machine (AIBB, SysInfo) and FPU-using programs crash too. A small
> program called CPU tells me I still have 040 but I suspect it just checks for
> the associated libraries.
> 
> To me this sounds like my PPC card has decided to die. Ironic, since I just
> moved my Amiga into a tower to avoid overheating the darn thing... Still, I'd
> like to have an opinion of more experienced people on this before I sent the
> card anywhere. Oh, and I can't test the card on another machine since AFAIK
> I'm the only Amigan around my town. :(
> 
Hi,

I think the first thing you should do is see if your computer will
boot from floppy workbench. Don't immediately assume that a part of
your hardware has broken. Remove all your additional parts and then
see if your hardrive will boot. If it does, try different combinations
of hardware to see if you can eliminate which bits aren't causing any
problems.

You may well find, as I did the other day, that fiddling about with
all your leads, etc, has fixed whatever the problem was.

I wish you luck,

*MO*

Hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my new Caller ID phone. It seems
like it only logs calls when my modem isn't plugged in on an extension
line. It makes no difference if there is no power to the modem at the time.
It could be just coincidence, but I think I've eliminated everything else
that could be affecting it. Has anyone else had this problem? Or knows what
could be causing it.

Bauglir

Hi all.
I have just been trying to gather some info on Transmeta's 'revolutionary CPU' and so far all I have come up with is...nothing.

I can get no solid information whatsoever.  All I am getting are people saying that Transmeta will be used in the new Amiga's, and then people saying that the previous is a hoax.
I have been on loads of CPU sites and all they say is that Transmeta is a software programmable Chip (NOTE: NOT CPU, CHIP!) that can be programmed on the fly so as to change it's instruction set to the task it is doing at the time.
Well, it's certainly confused me as to why people are saying that Gateway are using this as the new CPU for the Amiga NG - maybe it's to get people excited about nothing, but then that person is VERY horrible (To say the least!).

Anyway, here's a link for other's to try out.
Tell me if you can get any more info other than the fact that Transmeta have small, pokey and dirty offices, but across the road there is a field that is having 2 12-story offices put there with 600,000 sq-something of office space...

Anyway, hope you can get some info as I can't!

Pete.

PS To keep the list down to a minimum, e-mail me directly at: -
ultrasbm@hotmail.com (Egroups puts a '-' where there should be an 'm')
unless the information is important, of course. :o)

You wrote:
> To me this sounds like my PPC card has decided to die. Ironic, since I just
> moved my Amiga into a tower to avoid overheating the darn thing... Still, I'd
> like to have an opinion of more experienced people on this before I sent the
> card anywhere. Oh, and I can't test the card on another machine since AFAIK
> I'm the only Amigan around my town. :(

I'm not a hardware guru (i.e. I can hardly recognize the front of the
computer from the rear ;-)), but a similar thing happened to me with
my CD ROM: one evening it started telling me "No disk in drive CD0"
and the like... But it only was due to a bad connection, so you'd
better check every wire to see if anything is wrong...
Hope this helps.

Regards,
Paolo
-- 
Amiga 1200  040 + 603e 200 MHz, 24 Mb Fast, HD 1 GB, CD 24x

         "It's hard to soar like an eagle when you live with turkeys."

Paolo Rinaldi                  amifam.rin@tiscalinet.it

Hello All,

On 13-Jun-99, david.baker@ukonline.co.uk wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I own Lightwave 3D v3.5 and was wondering how I could either
> upgrade to version 5 or purchase the complete package of version 5.
> I've heard that Lightwave is no longer being produced for the Amiga
> so I guess I may be stuck with v3.5, not that there's anything wrong
> with it, but v5 should in theory be better than v3.5
> 

Yes, but will it really be /that /much better. Last thing I heard it was on
sale for 1169.13 or 411.25 for the upgrade from V4 :( 

Are the increaed features really worth the cost of a good PPC or a nice
shiny AmigaNG?

-- 
Danny.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd

Anyone can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.
-- Cicero

Hello All,

On 13-Jun-99, Alex Furmanski wrote:

> Try an Altavista search for "bill gates mpeg", you might even find the one
> where Win98 crashed on him.

This is also on an AFCD. Which one I can't remembe. After 25 before 42 :)

-- 
Danny.
UIN: 30044173
WEB: http://start.at/shepherd

Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everyone else.

On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:01:05 -0000,  (C.R.Buchanan@hw.ac.uk) wrote:
>    o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...

Does this include :

"Erm, sorry if this sounds innappropriate, especially considering what you
were doing with the feathers and all, but what's your name again, and where
am I?"

If so, erm, it's not for me, it's for a friend ....   ;-)

Kev

-- 
Kevin "Redvers" Fairhurst - ICQ 14701124

In PRIV.Amiga Format Neil Bullock wrote on Sat, 12 Jun 1999 13:13:09 +0100 about [afb] Re: Word Processor packages

Hi Neil Bullock

> > > I think there are still 2 distinct camps here. I really don't like
> > > using WW and think FW is a much better product, but I know many of you
> > > will disagree.
> >
> > I'd agree with you sort of, having been using FW97 since it came out,
> > I loved it, haven't really given WW a go though to be fair, but I
> > don't even use FW97 anymore as I now have Pagestream3 :)
> >
> 
> I don't use word processors/DTP packages full stop (except at college).
> I get by with with trust copy of Blacks Editor at home :)

Black Editor huh, I remember using that, I've progressed to GoldEd
myself got version 6 on its way,  I use as my simple text editor and
soon to use if for HTML, guess I'll be reading that section of AF. 


Bye

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                       Telephone : (01703) 489701

In PRIV.Amiga Format Chris Livermore wrote on Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:24:44 +0100 (GMT) about [afb] Re: MUI Registration

Hi Chris Livermore

[MUI]

> Better still, wait til WOA, and register it there. Get your keyfile then
> and there, no messing!

Thanks for the info Chris, I think I will there m8:)

Bye
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> > have set up an "afb-Off Topic" mailing list.
>
> I commend your initive, but i do believe that this will not help one little
> bit :(
>
> I will explain: Most "Off Topic" subjects come from "On topic" Threads. Its
> when people pick up on small things (such as taglines, spellings,
> punctuation, small errors in peoples info etc.) and these get wildly OT. I
> think that this list needs rules, and quickly, otherwise there will be a
> lot more people leaving this list (myself included) for ML's that have less
> tollerance for this kind of thing.
>
> Dont get me wrong, the occaisional slightly OT tread brings a bit of fresh
> air to the ML, but most of what i am reading now, apart from the initial
> few mails at the beginning of each thread, are OT.
>
> Lets not let this lapse into the TA ML :)
>
> Thanks for your time...

Personally I think that an off-topic ML is a good idea. If a thread is wildly
OT and refuses to die then it should be moved to afb-ot so that anyone thats
having fun with it can carry on. Sometimes I think it`s more fun to read the
off topic posts than on!

I must admit that sometimes I get "turned off" by mailing lists and newsgroups
that stay completly on-topic as what is being said then has probably been said
many times before. I read this ML because I love the Amiga but talking about
the same subjects all the time can get a bit boring. So I fully support the
afb-ot idea and will be subscribing today. I hope that a lot of other people do
as well so if you want to talk about the computer we all love then keep it on
the afb list but if it goes off-topic then it`s the perfect candidate for
afb-ot!


This is just my own personal opinion!

Samuel Castillo

dervish@bigfoot.com

Hello ultrasbm, on 14-Jun-99 14:21:55 you said about:
 [afb] Parallel Scanners 

>Hi All.
>My Dad came round the other day with a Black Widow Parallel Scanner, and he
>said that I could have it.

[snip]

You could always try setting up Shapeshifter (or Fusion, if you want to
buy it) to run the Mac software that came with the scanner (did it come
with Mac software???).

Whether or not it will then work via the Amiga parallel port is another
matter. Parallel scanners are slow on PCs, I'd hate to think what it
would be like on an Amiga. :-/

The only other option, IMHO, is to sell the Black Widow and put the
money towards a scanner+software+SCSI inyerface that will work together
on your Amiga.

--
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 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
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Hello C.R.Buchanan, on 14-Jun-99 13:01:05 you said about:
 [afb] POLL: Relationships with girls 


>Please select one of the following:

>   o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship
>   o Actually, I struggle to keep all my bitches happy
>   o Hmm.  I spoke to a girl once...
>   o Relationships are things that happen to other people
>   o Girls?  Who needs 'em when I've got my computer's groinal attachment
>   hooked up! Grr! o I'm bent o Err... excuse me, I am a girl o Both of the
>   above

How about "o I've spent too much dosh on my Amiga to be able to afford a
girlfriend (and/or to go out and meet any... :( )"

I do wish one of my mates (?) would stop saying that SWAG (South West
Amiga Group) actually stands for "Stuck Without A Girlfriend"... :-/

--
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 South West Amiga Group
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--
We secretly replaced the dilithium with Folgers Crystals

Hi Everybody,

> My only successful attempt at an AI was for a game of Othello
> (Reversi) that I wrote (using a language called A**S).I prioritised

   Ah yes, I've written an Othello AI. The advanced mode basically trys all
the possible moves in its mind, then trys to pridict what the over player
will do. It remembers all the possible outcomes and picks the best move to
go for.

   Its rather slow, but its damn good ;)

See ya.
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pick himself up and carry on...
-- Winston Churchill

Hi Everybody,

> So if you dont`t like the idea of posting Ai on the AFB - don`t flame me!

   Why wouldn't we like it? its more Amiga related then most of the mail we
get on the list!

See ya.
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"Big Village".
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Hello Neil

On 12-Giu-99, Neil Bullock wrote:


> Wow, people actually talking amongst themselves about
> MY diskmag. Amazing!
> 
> Neil

Well, it is a nice idea. Though an HTML version would be apprecciated.

Ciao
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vmorra@morres.demon.co.uk
ICQ: 18467837

Hello ben@subway.demon.co.uk

On 13-Giu-99, ben@subway.demon.co.uk wrote something about The Matrix:


> Unfortunately they also said that those sequels wouldn't be films, but
> their first medium which is comics...
> 
> Ben

Oh, Sugar... Very disppointing!!!

Bye
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ICQ: 18467837

Hello Colin

On 13-Giu-99, Colin Buckenham wrote:


> I called L.H. a few days ago to ask about upgrades to PageStream 3.3 and
> was told that not only had they not heard anything from SoftLogic for a
> long time but they no longer thought that the Amiga software market was
> large enough to continue in. The programmes that they carried no longer
> sold in any quantity. I might have picked a bad day to ring them but I
> think not. If somebody formally so supportive of the Amiga market now
> thinks in that way then it is a very sad day indeed.

Well I am shocked. AFAIK Larry is always been very supportive and he is also
an Amiga lover. 
I remember when I bought DrawStudio he mentioned how disappointed he was
about the poor
sales of that wonderful piece of software.
I still cannot understand how people could not buy DrawStudio. I would have
really appreciated an
upgrade. Pheraps, the author is willing to sell the code to somebody else
who is interested in upgrading
the software.
Ciao
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ICQ: 18467837

Bother said Phil Stephens as he realised we were talking about
Word Processor packages again...

>>  I don't use word processors/DTP packages full stop (except at college).
>>  I get by with with trust copy of Blacks Editor at home :)

> Black Editor huh, I remember using that, I've progressed to GoldEd
> myself got version 6 on its way,  I use as my simple text editor and
> soon to use if for HTML, guess I'll be reading that section of AF. 

If you haven't already, I reccomend trying WordPad (AFCD41).
It may not have all the extra bits that GoldEd has but it's
a very nice, basic text editor - it does use MUI though which
will no doubt offend some people.

Martin.

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Bother said Sam Castillo as he realised we were talking about
New ML - afb-ot.... again...

> So I fully support the afb-ot idea and will be subscribing today. I
> hope that a lot of other people do as well

I subscribed to it as soon as it appeared.  However, for
some reason the "reply to" header isn't set to the list's
address.  I quickly found this irritating and unsubscribed
from it.  :(

I don't know whether this is egroups fault or not but I
won't be re-joining until it's fixed.

Martin.

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Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

Bother said Andy Mills as he realised we were talking about
POLL: Relationships with girls again...

>>    o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship o Actually, I struggle
>>    to keep all my bitches happy o Hmm. I spoke to a girl once... o
>>    Relationships are things that happen to other people o Girls? Who
needs
>>    'em when I've got my computer's groinal attachment hooked up! Grr! o
>>    I'm bent o Err... excuse me, I am a girl o Both of the above

> How about "o I've spent too much dosh on my Amiga to be able to afford a
> girlfriend (and/or to go out and meet any... :( )"

How about:
    o Currently single coz she was cheating on me :(

Martin.

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Sutton, Surrey, UK.  Visit my site at:
http://www.3amigas.freeserve.co.uk - fool.

Hi Ben

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:

> So is Freeserve's mail server down again, since loads of freeserve addresses
> on this list seem to be bouncing all of a sudden?

This really wouldn't surprise me by now. If they have 1.1 million subscribers
or thereabouts then they need LOTS of top whack equipment. If they keep failing
this often they should divert some of the money from those cheesy TV  and bus
stop adverts in support stuff instead.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when it gets floated on the stock
market - will their shares drop everytime a mail server goes offline?

All I can say is that if it's offline, I'm glad I'm not stuck covering their
support line again. Last time they got something like 8000 calls an hour coming
in with only 40 people covering the lines!

Mind you, I keep hearing about other ISPs having similar problems recently - is
this possibly symptomatic of there simply being too many people moving too much
data about or what?

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
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On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, fool wrote:

> I subscribed to it [afb-ot]  as soon as it appeared.  However, for
> some reason the "reply to" header isn't set to the list's
> address.  I quickly found this irritating and unsubscribed
> from it.  :(
> 
> I don't know whether this is egroups fault or not but I
> won't be re-joining until it's fixed.

The 'reply-to' header is set by the manager of the list. It can be set to
either the address of the list or the person that sent the mail. 

Mark
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Hello fool, on 14-Jun-99 21:55:44 you said about:
 [afb] Re: New ML - afb-ot.... 

>Bother said Sam Castillo as he realised we were talking about
>New ML - afb-ot.... again...

>> So I fully support the afb-ot idea and will be subscribing today. I
>> hope that a lot of other people do as well

>I subscribed to it as soon as it appeared.  However, for
>some reason the "reply to" header isn't set to the list's
>address.  I quickly found this irritating and unsubscribed
>from it.  :(

>I don't know whether this is egroups fault or not but I
>won't be re-joining until it's fixed.

It should be OK now, after ages arsing around with a snail-paced Egroups
server....

BTW, why didn't you say so earlier? I'm not bloody psychic you know...


--
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 South West Amiga Group
 http://www.wharne.u-net.com/swag/
--
This copy of Spot has been unregistered for 20 Years.

Hi Neil.

> You don't have to back up everything. Program files will be on the
> original disks or wherever you downloaded them from. It's config and
> data files that need to be backed up, and then only the ones that have
> changed since the last backup.

ITR, (and just in case) which file would I need to backup from Miami so if I
have to re-install, I can 'tell' it that it's registered? I've had to pay
twice to register it now, as I didn't have chance to backup before a HD
crash, and I'd rather not shell out again for something I've already paid
for.

> A decent backup program will allow for
> selective and incremental backups, and file compression could halve
> the number of disks needed.

Can you suggest any decent backup prog's then, and might we see them on AF
or AA cover CDs? Obviously you can't comment on AFCDs, but Ben's out there
so he can :-)

    Chrispy

Hi Gerald

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Hi all, I'm having a strange problem with my new Caller ID phone. It seems
> like it only logs calls when my modem isn't plugged in on an extension
> line. It makes no difference if there is no power to the modem at the time.
> It could be just coincidence, but I think I've eliminated everything else
> that could be affecting it. Has anyone else had this problem? Or knows what
> could be causing it.

Could be a problem with the cord coming from the back of the modem, or possibly
a problem with REN - not sure if REN comes into it though when the modem is
switched off...

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.

Hi C.R.Buchanan@hw.ac.uk

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:


> I am a bit dissapointed about only being allowed 8 choices, I had plenty more
> ideas in my mad rampage of cheap sexual innuendoes.  BTW no offence is
> intended.  I feel e-groups should offer at least 30 or 40 choices.

Whilst I'm sure people who set up polls are pleased to have provoked a
response, can people either take part in the poll or ignore it - there's no
point talking about all the options that should have been added or whatever...

Just get on with it!

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
"Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a tagline writer."

> Steve Mepham  e-mail corvus@namlangis.u-net.com  ICQ #34471132
> Any Amiga users living near me in Kendal or South Cumbria ??

Why not use AmigaSoc's Lost Souls database to see if there are any Amiga users
living near you Steve?

Ben

Hi fool

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:

> If you haven't already, I reccomend trying WordPad (AFCD41).

Anyone else had problems with Wordpad's stability. On my A4000 it crashes on
exiting the program, and on my A1200 it crashes on running it! The A1200 is
running Directory Opus 5.66 in WBR mode, which may affect it...

Any ideas or parallel experiences? Already mailed author to say I like it, even
if it is pretty buggy on my setup...

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
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Hi Chris

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:


> ITR, (and just in case) which file would I need to backup from Miami so if I
> have to re-install, I can 'tell' it that it's registered? I've had to pay
> twice to register it now, as I didn't have chance to backup before a HD
> crash, and I'd rather not shell out again for something I've already paid
> for.

It'll most likely be that file called Miami.key in the MIAMI:  path... If you
can't find it do a global search for any files with the word key or keyfile in
- most registered programs use that convention.

Regards,

Frost.
-- 
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions...

Greetings  Pekka

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> On 13-Jun-99, Richard Lane wrote:

>> As I've said before it's not the amount of mail I object to, it's the
>> amount of junk. It's a shame that the minority spoil it for the
>> majority.
> 
> I begin to agree and seriously consider to unsubscribe!

most of the junk seems to come from those with free school/college
connections. Seems that posting shyte to afb is a way to while away the
time. . .


> Regards
Regards

Andy

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/PGP Key available on request/
-- 
Success is like a fart - only your own smells nice.
-- James P. Hogan

Greetings  David

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>> No it wasn't me, but I know someone who was "faked" in this way. He got
>> megs of crap sent to his account, which filled up pretty damn quick. He
>> was lucky he only had a 4 meg mailbox on his account ....
> 
> 
> Should that happen to anyone here the best way to shift it is to open a
> Hotmail (or similar) account and use its ability to fetch POP3 mail. You
> get your mail box emptied instantly and if you are worried that an
> important email was in the junk you can still check it on the web
> without having to download it all! I worked that one out for a friend
> who got mail bombed a while back, but it works in this case too :)
> 
> Hope that that can be of use to someone.

Or you could just set yam up to to tell if there are large files to
dowload, and ask if you want to leave them on the server, or delete them
without downloading. . .

I don't know if other mail proglets offer simlar services :)

> Dave

Regards

Andy

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-- Albert Einstein

Greetings  Matt

On 14-Jun-99, you wrote:

> 
> 
>>>> Children have the same inane sort of ability.  They seem to be
>>>> able to lodge any foreign boy in any orifice
> 
> I think you mean... innate :)

Could be both I guess. Particularly with children anyways.


Regards

Andy

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I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
-- Albert Einstein

Greetings  Colin

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Hello Vincenzo
> 
> On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:
> 
>> VM On 13-Giu-99, j.hart@ukonline.co.uk wrote: VM
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> Does anyone on the list know where I can buy Wordworth 7 or Final
>>> Writer 97 (CD-ROM or disk)- all the mail order companies I have
>>> in the UK have neither of these two programs for sale. VM
>> VM Have you tried Digita Int. or LH Publishing? VM
>> VM Digita +44 1 395 270 273 VM LH Publishing +44 1908 370 230
> 
> I called L.H. a few days ago to ask about upgrades to PageStream 3.3 and
> was told that not only had they not heard anything from SoftLogic for a
> long time but they no longer thought that the Amiga software market was
> large enough to continue in. The programmes that they carried no longer
> sold in any quantity. I might have picked a bad day to ring them but I
> think not. If somebody formally so supportive of the Amiga market now
> thinks in that way then it is a very sad day indeed.

I bought Drawstudio2 from LH publishing a couple of months ago. 

Regarding pagestream. Softlogik are still well and truly in the Amiga
business.

I have just got an email from them about my upgrade from 3.3 to v4.

I suggest a visit to http://www.softlogik.com There are details about
upgrades from all versions upto 4.

> All the Best
> 
> Colin
> 
Regards

Andy

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/PGP Key available on request/
-- 
Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everyone else.

> Hey! I take offense to that statement! (I didn't see the original post of
> course) but it's the braindead moron part I take offense to...

Ok, for those of you who perhaps didn't get the point of my message, it was
*supposed* to be sarcasm. Jack, I realise you're American so I forgive you
for not knowing this ;)
Since most people didn't reply I presume the rest of you understood :)

> I like Amiga users, (Mostly, except the ones that have nothing better to
> do than brag about how fast their PC is...)

I like Amiga users, except the ones who refuse to acknowledge the good
points of other platforms and who blindly advocate their machine whilst
blatantly ignoring the facts. Of course, I realise that half the time I
fall into this category as well :)

> P.S.
> Where you been for the last two weeks Baug?!?!

University exams :-/

Bauglir

Hi Ben,

> Hi all (except those on FreeServe who probably won't get this),
> 
> So is Freeserve's mail server down again, since loads of freeserve
> addresses on this list seem to be bouncing all of a sudden?

Not down entirely... obviously, since I am sending this. It's just slightly
f**ked I think. I've received roughly 100 mails from AFB today, I don't
*think* I've missed many.

Bauglir

Hi Neil,

>> If you're reading all the messages online then it's definitely cheaper to
>> have them delivered to your email account. It should only take you 5-10
>> minutes to download the 100-200 emails a day that the AFB generates,
> 
> Ten minutes to download 200 mails? Are you using a 300 baud modem? !!!

Ok then, 3 minutes, so I exaggerated a little :)
Actually, since I quite regularly get sent large-ish binaries, 10 minutes
isn't too much of an overstatement...

Bauglir

I checked with National Amiga's website where they indicated that they were selling
AF125 in their shop in London, Canada on June 11.

Mark Dekeyser
Canada

In addition to word processing, I have used the tables feature of Final
Writer 97 quite a bit and, until I found an ARexx script for a calendar on
Aminet and on the AFCDs, I created my own calendars in FW.

Mark Dekeyser

Chris Pratt said, 

> Hi Neil.

>> You don't have to back up everything. Program files will be on the
>> original disks or wherever you downloaded them from. It's config and
>> data files that need to be backed up, and then only the ones that have
>> changed since the last backup.

> ITR, (and just in case) which file would I need to backup from Miami so if I
> have to re-install, I can 'tell' it that it's registered? I've had to pay
> twice to register it now, as I didn't have chance to backup before a HD
> crash, and I'd rather not shell out again for something I've already paid
> for.

I think the keyfiles use cunningly concealed names, like Miami.key1
and Miami.key2. Basically, anything with key in the name should be
backed up.

>> A decent backup program will allow for
>> selective and incremental backups, and file compression could halve
>> the number of disks needed.

> Can you suggest any decent backup prog's then, and might we see them on AF
> or AA cover CDs? Obviously you can't comment on AFCDs, but Ben's out there
> so he can :-)

ABackup was the one I used. I now use MakeCD for fortnightly backups
and LhA for the daily ones, since you can set LhA to only archive
changed files, but that only works if you have somewhere safe to store
the LhAs, like a second hard drive.


Neil
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Hi Frost,

> Could be a problem with the cord coming from the back of the modem, or
> possibly a problem with REN - not sure if REN comes into it though when
> the modem is switched off...

Don't think it's a problem with the REN, there's never more than 2 phones
and a modem connected at any one time. In what way could it be a problem
with the modem cable? Here's the set-up, in case it helps...


                                         Master Socket
                                                  |
                                    Double Line Adaptor
                                    |                           |
                            CLID Phone          Junction Box
                                                      /                  \
                                           Junction Box         Secondary
Jack Socket
                                          /                 \               
      |
                               Jack socket     Jack socket          modem
                                        |                    |
                                    phone            modem

Apologies if that diagram comes out crap on your mailer :)
And I don't actually have 2 modems, as it looks on the diagram, just one
that is moved between 2 computers.

Bauglir

Hi Matt,

> GRRRR!

GRRRR yourself :)
 
> It`s not bloatware at all. I saw this in January 1998, it`s not new.

Of course it's bloatware.  When you install Excel it indicates that it will
use about 45MB of disk space.

45MB of disk space for a spreadsheet.

A spreadsheet that is good, but isn't overloaded with lots of features.  In
fact, there's no where near enough features to warrant 45MB of disk space,
the examples take up almost no space at all.

Every bit of Micro$hite software I've seen is bloated.

I think it's time you got out of bed with M$ Matt, you've a very strange
bias towards them and it's a bit freaky :)


All the best...

Conor

Hi,

>> Does that mean that you also have rights to hello.pecadiloes.com ;
>> armadillos.pecadiloes.com etc? I'm not quite sure if I understood.
>
>Yup - once you have the domain, you can have as many hosts or subdomains
>inside it as you want.


Well in that case I might just go set up armadillos.pecadiloes.com right
now - I like the sound of that :)

Dave
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Hi Tom,

>I never knew there was a game,   if you find out could you let  me know ?


Sorry, looks like I'll be just using the datafiles with an alternative
engine on the Amiga. Thanks BTW to all who suggested that, I had no idea
that that could be done. So, anyone got an idea about how I can get it off
that 5 inch disk? I think its time to glue that old AT back together...

As for those files, I guess as they're a good decade or so old and out of
production it won't hurt to send them to you. Will it? Where do I stand
considering their age, etc?

>I've got a pain in all the diodes down my left  side


Depressing, isn't it?

David
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Hi,

>Please select one of the following:
>
>   o I'm happily married/in a stable realtionship




>   o Both of the above


   o Girlfriend just voted most attractive female in the sixthform leaver's
poll.

Alright, no more gloating - I didn't even make the most attractive male
shortlist, so I guess she must love me for my computing skills. Girls dig
Amiga's y'know ;)

Dave
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===========-===--===---=----------- -  -

Hi Neil,

>An address usually refers to a machine address, such as
>pecadiloes.com. A URL (Uniform Resource Locator) is a way of
>specifying a location on the internet, together with the method used
>to connect to it and information to be sent to it.


Thanks, I'll try to remember that...this time :)

>The full contents of a URL are




>?extra-data is normally used to send data to CGI scripts. for example
>a server-side image map will send the coordinates here.


Someone said in this thread you learn something new here everyday, oh yeah.
Thanks BTW.

>Ok, my turn now http://www.wirenet.co.uk (or http://wirenet.co.uk :)


Good luck to you, just checked the logs and it appeared to generate
absolutely no extra hits. Pah, no taste in music, that's the problem with
the Amiga community ;)

David
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At 22:38:09 you said about [afb] Re: Sub Disk Virus:

> You don't have to back up everything. Program files will be on the
> original disks or wherever you downloaded them from. It's config and
> data files that need to be backed up, and then only the ones that have
> changed since the last backup.

Now I have to find the time to find all my files that I need to keep
:-/ Now, let's see: CV, Netconnect configs, user-startup. That's about
it :)
 
> Neil

Paul C.

> Top Oxymorons Number 46: Found missing

I don't get that. When have you ever heard anyone say "found missing"?
--
... Do radioactive cats have 18 half-lives?

Hello all,
I know people whinge about off-topics here but this may be important
to someone.

I just got a mail from a friend. Apparently there are hoax phone calls
being made. They claim to be from "AT & T" and say they are doing a
line check. They ask you to dial 90# to check the line. DON'T DO IT.
It enables them to continue using your phone line after you hang up,
charging any calls they make to your phone bill.

I can't say whether that's not just a hoax warning or whatever for
sure, only that there is a claim the police have certified it as being
true.

Good night, and don't have nightmares [said in tone of Michael Buerk
on 999]

Paul C.
--

What are you on about, Neil Bothwick?

> > Aren't egroups clever? So, if that message had bounced and the probe
> > (what?) bounced you would have been unsubbed. But you wouldn't have
> > received the message, so why did they bother telling you.
> 
> In case it was a temporary problem, so you know why you've missed
> messages.

I'm sure you would realise that there was a problem when your mails
kept getting bounced.

> Neil
Paul C.

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MSGTO: Alex Furmanski
SUBJECT: [afb] Re: Save the cat! (was UKOnline - webspace info)

[Alex Furmanski reveals his sordid fantasies to 600 people]
> 
> Well done.  You're person number 4 to spot this.  And you moan at me for wasting
> bandwidth ;-)

Actually I reckon I was person number 1 (or 2). But I only check mail
once a day and sometimes don't send the reply till the day after. So
there, at the time I wasn't actually intentionally sending an
unneccessary reply.

> Alex Furmanski

Paul C.
--
Damn. I've just made an unnecessary reply and wasted bandwidth.

Greetings  Danny

On 13-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Hello All,
> =

> On 13-Jun-99, david.baker@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> =

>> Hello
>> =

>> I own Lightwave 3D v3.5 and was wondering how I could either
>> upgrade to version 5 or purchase the complete package of version 5.
>> I've heard that Lightwave is no longer being produced for the Amiga
>> so I guess I may be stuck with v3.5, not that there's anything wrong
>> with it, but v5 should in theory be better than v3.5
>> =

> =

> Yes, but will it really be /that /much better. Last thing I heard it wa=
s
> on sale for =A31169.13 or 411.25 for the upgrade from V4 :(
> =

> Are the increaed features really worth the cost of a good PPC or a nice=

> shiny AmigaNG?

Go and read the feature list at www.newtek.com.

3.5 really shows it's age compared to 5. =


To be honest, I'm not sure if I would bother buying v5, seeing as Newtek
no longer develope it for the Amiga.

I'd rather hand my money over to Impulse or Eyelite; and save several
hundred quid in the process. Check out the screen shots of Tornado3d 3
http://www.tornado3d.com/30.html

It looks quite groovy. You could buy Tornado, and some beefy hardware to
run it on for the cost of an upgrade to LW 5.

To your main question. Yes, the cost will be justified if Lighwave is
making you money. 3.5 positively sucks compared to 5.


Regards

Andy

*FUBAR*@http://www.q-soft.demon.co.uk
/PGP Key available on request/
-- =

I like work ... I can sit and watch it for hours.

Bother said Andy Mills as he realised we were talking about
New ML - afb-ot.... again...

[probs with reply-to]

>> I don't know whether this is egroups fault or not but I
>> won't be re-joining until it's fixed.

> It should be OK now, after ages arsing around with a snail-paced Egroups
> server....

Hmm, they do seem very slow this evening.

I'll try subscribing again now that it's fixed.

> BTW, why didn't you say so earlier? I'm not bloody psychic you know...

I thought I had - turns out it's still sitting in my
outgoing folder.  I must've hit hold instead of send.

Sorry.

Martin.

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Bother said Ferenczy as he realised we were talking about
Word Processor packages again...

>> If you haven't already, I reccomend trying WordPad (AFCD41).

> Anyone else had problems with Wordpad's stability.

It seems to be perfectly stable on my system which is
quite surprising considering.

> Any ideas or parallel experiences?

I take it you've tried snoopdos already?

Martin.

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Hi Paul,

> I just got a mail from a friend. Apparently there are hoax phone calls
> being made. They claim to be from "AT & T" and say they are doing a
> line check. They ask you to dial 90# to check the line. DON'T DO IT.
> It enables them to continue using your phone line after you hang up,
> charging any calls they make to your phone bill.

But why would AT&T be checking a BT line? This sounds a lot like a urban
legend, one that probably originated in the US. If anyone knows different
then sorry for butting in, but it looks a lot like a hoax to me.

Bauglir

Bother said David Patterson as he realised we were talking about 
HHGTTG (Was BT-Internet, Fair competition?) again...

> As for those files, I guess as they're a good decade or so old and out of
> production it won't hurt to send them to you. Will it? Where do I stand
> considering their age, etc?

Don't worry about it.  Just wrap a towel around your head - if you
can't see them, they can't see you.  ;)

Actually, I think the files are still protected by copyright so it's
probably not a good idea to spread them.  Having said that,
if it turns out to be legal, I'd really appreciate a copy too.

Martin.

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Bother said David Patterson as he realised we were talking about
POLL: Relationships with girls again...

>   o Girlfriend just voted most attractive female in the sixthform leaver's
> poll.

> Alright, no more gloating - I didn't even make the most attractive male
> shortlist,

They probably don't include the people who hang around outside the
school anyway.  ;)

> so I guess she must love me for my computing skills. Girls dig
> Amiga's y'know ;)

"Ooh, I just the love the way you partitioned that hard-drive."  ?
Nah, maybe not.  :)

Martin.

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Hi Gerald & Paul.

> > I just got a mail from a friend. Apparently there are hoax phone calls
> > being made. They claim to be from "AT & T" and say they are doing a
> > line check. They ask you to dial 90# to check the line. DON'T DO IT.
> > It enables them to continue using your phone line after you hang up,
> > charging any calls they make to your phone bill.
>
> But why would AT&T be checking a BT line? This sounds a lot like a urban
> legend, one that probably originated in the US. If anyone knows different
> then sorry for butting in, but it looks a lot like a hoax to me.

    It is actually a true warning - we've got letters up at work regarding
it - but it only applies to mobiles. Apparently if you press 90# (or, I
believe 99#) it allows them access to your SIM card so they can run up calls
on your mobile bill :(
    There's also a warning about people ringing you up at work saying you've
won a prize and can they have your postcode so they can deliver it. They
then assume the house is empty all day and go burgle it :( This one wouldn't
work at our house, though, as there's normally at least one person in most
of the time (apart from the pillock, sorry, dog!)
    Now I'm not saying they aren't both hoaxes, but if a company as large as
William Hills has warnings about them on their office noticeboards, they at
least deserve to be borne in mind...

    Chrispy

Various people wrote about a bizarre happening:

> > > I just got a mail from a friend. Apparently there are hoax phone calls
> > > being made. They claim to be from "AT & T" and say they are doing a
> > > line check. They ask you to dial 90# to check the line. DON'T DO IT.
> > > It enables them to continue using your phone line after you hang up,
> > > charging any calls they make to your phone bill.
> >
> > But why would AT&T be checking a BT line? This sounds a lot like a urban
> > legend, one that probably originated in the US. If anyone knows
> different
> > then sorry for butting in, but it looks a lot like a hoax to me.
> 
>    It is actually a true warning - we've got letters up at work regarding
>it - but it only applies to mobiles. Apparently if you press 90# (or, I
>believe 99#) it allows them access to your SIM card so they can run up
calls
>on your mobile bill :(

This is a hoax. We saw the same emails a few months ago at our office.
However, the company I work for (Lucent) make the telephone switches
and also the chips used in GSM phones, and our development engineers
send a note out saying that it was all b****x. Then BT made an
official statement saying that it isn't true.... Remember "Good Times" virus
hoax - along the same lines :)

>    There's also a warning about people ringing you up at work saying
you've
>won a prize and can they have your postcode so they can deliver it. They
>then assume the house is empty all day and go burgle it :( This one
wouldn't
>work at our house, though, as there's normally at least one person in most
>of the time (apart from the pillock, sorry, dog!)

This one is real - has been happening in my area - people are also doing
surveys in the street to get the same information.....

>    Now I'm not saying they aren't both hoaxes, but if a company as large
as
>William Hills has warnings about them on their office noticeboards, they at
>least deserve to be borne in mind...

I wouldn't bet on it :)

l8r
Tudor

Gerald Mellor said, 

> Hi Neil,

>>> If you're reading all the messages online then it's definitely cheaper to
>>> have them delivered to your email account. It should only take you 5-10
>>> minutes to download the 100-200 emails a day that the AFB generates,
>>                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Ten minutes to download 200 mails? Are you using a 300 baud modem? !!!

> Ok then, 3 minutes, so I exaggerated a little :)
> Actually, since I quite regularly get sent large-ish binaries, 10 minutes
> isn't too much of an overstatement...

Fortunately, I don't seem to et all those large binaries posted to the
AFB list :)


Neil
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Hi Neil,

> Fortunately, I don't seem to et all those large binaries posted to the
> AFB list :)

Don't give anyone ideas...

All the best,
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Hi Paul,

> I just got a mail from a friend. Apparently there are hoax phone calls
> being made. They claim to be from "AT & T" and say they are doing a
> line check. They ask you to dial 90# to check the line. DON'T DO IT.
> It enables them to continue using your phone line after you hang up,
> charging any calls they make to your phone bill.

An urban myth is being created in our presence. Cool! It's not necessarily
AT&T, it's your mobile phone provider, and it only affects mobile phones,
and yet, it's actually a hoax anyway!

All the best,
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Hi Chris,

>    It is actually a true warning - we've got letters up at work regarding
> it - but it only applies to mobiles. Apparently if you press 90# (or, I
> believe 99#) it allows them access to your SIM card so they can run up
> calls on your mobile bill :(

We had it here at work too, about three months ago, followed about a week
later by a denial.


All the best,
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> Hi all.
> I have just been trying to gather some info on Transmeta's
> 'revolutionary CPU' and so far all I have come up with is...nothing.

Just like everybody else.. :)
 
> I can get no solid information whatsoever.  All I am getting are
> people saying that Transmeta will be used in the new Amiga's,
> and then people saying that the previous is a hoax.

You are on AFB yet you don't read AF? Af125, p16, column 3,
halfway down..

"We are looking at the processors like Transmeta, Project X
and Glaze3D but we're also thinking about PowerPC, MIPS
and Alpha" - Jim Collas

I don't think Transmeta has a chance. It's nowhere near
complete, they don't even have a website for crying out
loud. At least they almost certainly won't have a chip out
by November..

> I have been on loads of CPU sites and all they say is that
> Transmeta is a software programmable Chip (NOTE: NOT
> CPU, CHIP!) that can be programmed on the fly so as to
> change it's instruction set to the task it is doing at the time.

Speculation.

> Well, it's certainly confused me as to why people are saying
> that Gateway are using this as the new CPU for the Amiga NG
>  - maybe it's to get people excited about nothing, but then that
> person is VERY horrible (To say the least!).

Because it can allegedly emulate an x86 class processor faster
than a real x86 class processor could run at the same clock speed.
A trivial task - x86 architecture is far from highly optimised..

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Computer Centre
University of Leicester

>     Now I'm not saying they aren't both hoaxes, but if a company as large
as
> William Hills has warnings about them on their office noticeboards, they
at
> least deserve to be borne in mind...

No, it`s a classic example of corporate paranoia. The suits know feck all
and get edgy when a new virus, scam or email thingy pops in their letter
box. Us tech staff know better, but we never get consulted.. ah well..

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Hello fool

On 15-Jun-99, you wrote:

> Actually, I think the files are still protected by copyright so it's
> probably not a good idea to spread them.  Having said that,
> if it turns out to be legal, I'd really appreciate a copy too.

AFAICR, Activision own the rights to all the infocom games. I guess you
could speak nicely to them. You _can_ get Zork I,II & III from their
website for free, though. 

Cheers,
Richard

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> How about:
>     o Currently single coz she was cheating on me :(
> 
> Martin.
> 
Nope, mine should have been: -

     o Never going to trust women again because they always go for your ugly house mate even when they're going out with you.

Paul Cundle said, 

> What are you on about, Neil Bothwick?

>> > Aren't egroups clever? So, if that message had bounced and the probe
>> > (what?) bounced you would have been unsubbed. But you wouldn't have
>> > received the message, so why did they bother telling you.

>> In case it was a temporary problem, so you know why you've missed
>> messages.

> I'm sure you would realise that there was a problem when your mails
> kept getting bounced.

But how would you know if some mails were getting bounced? If five of
your AFB mails yesterday bounced, would you really notice the drop in
traffic? If the list was run on Majordomo you'd have been kicked off
after the first bounce, whereas newer listservs make tests and give
the mail server a chance to come back up before taking such action.


Neil
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> Hi Guys,
> 
> If you would like to have your website included (or updated) on Amiga
> Format magazine's CD #43, (issue 127, September 1999), could you please
> upload your archived website site to:
> 
>              ftp2.futurenet.co.uk/pub/incoming
> 
HELP!
MY FTP program says it cannot open ftp2.futurenet.co.uk
what shall I do?

I e-mailed that e-mail addy at the end of the posting (ftp.futurenet.co.uk) and hotmail came back with an unknown user thing.

I want to put my web page on the CD DESPERATELY so someone PLEASE help me.

I am using College computers (OS - Win95.  FTP- WS_FTP  Internet connection - Direct to backbone (T3))
I know how to use FTP to an extent, and have not had this trouble with any other site, but this one has stumped me.

Thanks,
Pete.

> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > If you would like to have your website included (or updated) on Amiga
> > Format magazine's CD #43, (issue 127, September 1999), could you please
> > upload your archived website site to:
> >
> >              ftp2.futurenet.co.uk/pub/incoming
> >
> HELP!
> MY FTP program says it cannot open ftp2.futurenet.co.uk
> what shall I do?

Mine works.. 'ftp ftp2.futurenet.co.uk'

> I want to put my web page on the CD DESPERATELY so someone PLEASE help me.
>
> I am using College

Use FTP as in the command, if you can. WS_FTP sucks.

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Hi there  ultrasbm@hotmail.com

On 15-Jun-99, you wrote:

>> Hi Guys,
>> =

>> If you would like to have your website included (or updated) on Amiga
>> Format magazine's CD #43, (issue 127, September 1999), could you pleas=
e
>> upload your archived website site to:
>> =

>>              ftp2.futurenet.co.uk/pub/incoming
>> =

> HELP!
> MY FTP program says it cannot open ftp2.futurenet.co.uk
> what shall I do?
> =

> I e-mailed that e-mail addy at the end of the posting (ftp.futurenet.co=
=2Euk) and hotmail came back with an unknown user thing.
> =

> I want to put my web page on the CD DESPERATELY so someone PLEASE help =
me.
> =

> I am using College computers (OS - Win95.  FTP- WS_FTP  Internet connec=
tion - Direct to backbone (T3))
> I know how to use FTP to an extent, and have not had this trouble with =
any other site, but this one has stumped me.


You MUST prefix any file with AF i.e.  AF_MyFile.lha        GOT IT!
-- =

Pete :-)

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 > I just got a mail from a friend. Apparently there are hoax phone calls
> being made. They claim to be from "AT & T" and say they are doing a
> line check. They ask you to dial 90# to check the line. DON'T DO IT.
> It enables them to continue using your phone line after you hang up,
> charging any calls they make to your phone bill.
> 
> I can't say whether that's not just a hoax warning or whatever for
> sure, only that there is a claim the police have certified it as being
> true.
> 

Oh dear...so thats why our phone bill has gone up by 300%.

Ah, no.  Thats because of my flatmates being on the net all the time.

Good job it's an itamised phone bill!

Bifford.

> > 
> > Neil
> 
> Well, it is a nice idea. Though an HTML version would be apprecciated.
> 

Well, I did say this was the last of the WOA related things I would
answer, but there is a HTML version starting from Issue 3.

http://www.trogsoft.free-online.co.uk/woa/issue3/contents.htm

and

http://www.trogsoft.free-online.co.uk/woa/issues1/contents.htm

Don't forget: http://www.egroups.com/list/woa-dm

Neil

Hi Matt,

> > the next issue (r the one after that) on how to get these up and running
> as no
> > doubt there's others like me who dont want to pay out for StormC
> (esspecially
> > after the comparison you printed).
> 
> Sam - RTFM. VBCC has docs telling you where to extract archives and place
> files. So does DICE.
> 
Yup.  i went back and had another look,  sure enough, staring me straight in 
the face....  (Didnt read the whole doc the first time as the top half legal 
gibberish so I didnt bother with the bottom half.  TYPICAL.)  

Oh, and its up and running now (VBCC).

Just one thing.  I'm working through the C tutorials (I'll find a C book for 
the library soon as well) and am up to no 3.  however, when I run each program
 it does everything its meant to and displays everyhing its meant to but then
 also displays an error message.  Now it might be meant to do this in the first tutorials  and is explained in no 4+.  Any quick solutions till I get to 
that chapter?  I've tryed     EXIT();    sometimes it works others it doesnt.


Bifford.

> > Black Editor huh, I remember using that, I've
> progressed to GoldEd
> > myself got version 6 on its way,  I use as my
> simple text editor and
> > soon to use if for HTML, guess I'll be reading
> that section of AF. 

I find Blacks Editor incredibly intuitive, very stable
and an all round nice editor. I've never needed more.
Bit like the Amiga I guess :)

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Thanks to the couple of people who directed me to the Digita site at http://www.digita.com where I found out that Wordworth 7 can be bought direct. I have ordered a copy so cheers! 

I also ordered PPaint 7.1 today. Has anyone tried the update? (7.1b) I was wondering if it makes a significant difference when using CybergraphX.

John Hart

> If I had a nearly full hard disk, I'd either delete
> stuff or get a
> bigger one. Nearly full hard disks get very slow.
> Why worry about a
> few KB, the real waste of space in most programs is
> the features you
> don't use, not the easter eggs.

You cant seriously saying you'd be /pleased/ if an
Amiga spreadsheet package had that much pointless
bloat in it?!

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> 
> Oh dear...so thats why our phone bill has gone up by 300%.
> 
> Ah, no.  Thats because of my flatmates being on the net all the time.
> 
> Good job it's an itamised phone bill!

I T E M I S E D

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